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Tigerwoody76  
#581 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2019 6:10:34 AM(UTC)
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June 06, 2019 - Applied
June 10, 2019 - Conditional Offer
June 17, 2019 - Operational Interview
July 22, 2019 - SF86 and eQip request email received, medical paperwork submitted.
July 31, 2019 - SF86 and EQip finished and submitted
September 9, 2019 - References Contacted
October 24, 2019 - BI Interview with investigator and Co-worker interviews
October 28, 2019 - Background Completed and Submitted
November 14, 2019 - Email to schedule security interview??
November 21, 2019 - Security Interview
November 20, 2019 - Email to Schedule Poly and Psych

December 14, 2019 - Poly and Psych

What is a security interview and why is it 8 hours? Does this include the polygraph?

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#582 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2019 6:48:21 AM(UTC)
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November 14, 2019 - Email to schedule security interview??
November 21, 2019 - Security Interview


What is a security interview and why is it 8 hours? Does this include the polygraph?


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Good luck on your next steps. Make sure to get good rest the night before!

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Tigerwoody76  
#583 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2019 6:53:41 AM(UTC)
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Thanks man, yea it is going actually too quick..hahaha.
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#584 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2019 6:57:48 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Tigerwoody76 Go to Quoted Post
June 06, 2019 - Applied
June 10, 2019 - Conditional Offer
June 17, 2019 - Operational Interview
July 22, 2019 - SF86 and eQip request email received, medical paperwork submitted.
July 31, 2019 - SF86 and EQip finished and submitted
September 9, 2019 - References Contacted
October 24, 2019 - BI Interview with investigator and Co-worker interviews
October 28, 2019 - Background Completed and Submitted
November 14, 2019 - Email to schedule security interview??
November 21, 2019 - Security Interview


What is a security interview and why is it 8 hours? Does this include the polygraph?


A security interview is separate from poly/psych and is generally a sit-down with a security officer to conduct an in-depth drill down into some aspect of your candidacy. Could be suspected CI issues, etc.
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Tigerwoody76  
#585 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:09:07 AM(UTC)
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Cool thanks domino....what does CI mean? My buddy went through the same process and was hired in 8 months. He said he did not have a Security interview. Hes 15 years younger and has not had that many jobs or traveled abroad. He went straight to the Poly after the background.
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#586 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:16:40 AM(UTC)
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Updating

11/18: Applied
11/18: Told they'd schedule a math test soon
2/19: They actually scheduled the math test even though I'd been pestering them for 3 months
2/19: Take math test
3/19: Got CJO (at a pretty undervalued salary based on their own brackets and my credentials and experience, but told I can't negotiate until later), asked for e-qip forms. Three or four times between 3/19 and 5/19 they send e-qip back asking for trivial changes, which take about two hours to do each time
5/19: Told my forms were accepted and my investigation has started
5/19: Met an investigator in person and he talked to me + some of my friends and coworkers
7/19: Told I'm in suitability checking, polygraph and psych schedule for 8/19
8/19: Psych exams, failed polygraph, had "normal" job interviews with the team I'd be working with if I take the job, psychologist asked for some medical records which I got emailed to him by the end of the month. Team I'd be working with said they expect to finish their committee and voting on whether they want me or not in about 2-2.5 months.
9/19: Passed polygraph. Polygraph examiner said usually it's about 2 months after this to finish the process on the security side. No idea if that's accurate or not, he didn't seem like he was totally confident in that estimate.
Late 10/19: Told that a batch of candidates in my department will be decided on starting on a certain day in 11/19. No idea if that means that's when I'll actually hear about the results, though.


update


11/19: Rejection email, no reason given. Well, what a waste of hope and time that was.


Damn, I'm sorry to hear that. Very humbling to remember you could put years into this process, jump thru every hoop, and still end up with a simple rejection email. Did they clarify if this was a clearance denial or merely suitability and you can roll the dice again later?


It wasn't an HR or security decision, it was the department I was going to work with decided not to go forward with me, which is a surprise becuase I feel my interviews went very well... I didn't get any actual reasons, though. Just that they decided that I'm not the right person.


Don't give up! At the very least apply again to several positions and try to score more than one CJO to be on the safe side. If you happened to be cleared then you won't have to wait as long to go from application to hire. You can always polish your skills during your next processing rather than waiting to apply again in the future just to be waiting even more time to get hired. Should you get hired but not get an offer in a desired role, there's the possibility of transferring to your desired department after getting through probation( 2 years I think ). If you really want to work at the NSA then I'm sure you will find a way.
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#587 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2019 7:32:47 AM(UTC)
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It wasn't an HR or security decision, it was the department I was going to work with decided not to go forward with me, which is a surprise becuase I feel my interviews went very well... I didn't get any actual reasons, though. Just that they decided that I'm not the right person.


Apply again in a year after you get more work experience or education. Unfortunately for me, I'm done with schooling for the foreseeable future. And my work doesn't give me any experience in this field. I'm not giving up, but it doesn't look promising for me. You can still do it if this is your dream. Maybe look into some private sector careers? Or another agency to get your foot in the door!


Thanks for the encouragement, I may apply again later... working at NSA specifically isn't exactly my dream but I was definitely interested in the position. It's just so hard to get any job at all these days, I've been looking for months for anything even vaguely related to my degree, so I was really hoping this one would work out since I put so much time into the process.

The HR person also said something like "we acknowledge your education and it was a strong application and we will forward your file to other departments" but I think they say that to everybody who gets rejected by their department (as opposed to rejected by security etc). I don't expect anything to come of it.

They also said my clearance process will continue, so maybe I could work for a different agency...

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#588 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:14:27 AM(UTC)
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It wasn't an HR or security decision, it was the department I was going to work with decided not to go forward with me, which is a surprise becuase I feel my interviews went very well... I didn't get any actual reasons, though. Just that they decided that I'm not the right person.


Apply again in a year after you get more work experience or education. Unfortunately for me, I'm done with schooling for the foreseeable future. And my work doesn't give me any experience in this field. I'm not giving up, but it doesn't look promising for me. You can still do it if this is your dream. Maybe look into some private sector careers? Or another agency to get your foot in the door!


Thanks for the encouragement, I may apply again later... working at NSA specifically isn't exactly my dream but I was definitely interested in the position. It's just so hard to get any job at all these days, I've been looking for months for anything even vaguely related to my degree, so I was really hoping this one would work out since I put so much time into the process.

The HR person also said something like "we acknowledge your education and it was a strong application and we will forward your file to other departments" but I think they say that to everybody who gets rejected by their department (as opposed to rejected by security etc). I don't expect anything to come of it.

They also said my clearance process will continue, so maybe I could work for a different agency...


Yeah, I feel you. I myself didn't have much luck finding a job after I graduated 2 years ago. The only one I got before this year was at Revature, but I wasn't comfortable with the 2-year contract, and their training was too fast paced.

The fact that they kept saying I'm still processing makes me worried, since I might get rejected without getting my clearance or even meeting with my BI. You seem to have gotten through them, so hopefully you can get your clearance.

Have other recruiters contacted you?
not_real_throwaway  
#589 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:19:31 AM(UTC)
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It wasn't an HR or security decision, it was the department I was going to work with decided not to go forward with me, which is a surprise becuase I feel my interviews went very well... I didn't get any actual reasons, though. Just that they decided that I'm not the right person.


Apply again in a year after you get more work experience or education. Unfortunately for me, I'm done with schooling for the foreseeable future. And my work doesn't give me any experience in this field. I'm not giving up, but it doesn't look promising for me. You can still do it if this is your dream. Maybe look into some private sector careers? Or another agency to get your foot in the door!


Thanks for the encouragement, I may apply again later... working at NSA specifically isn't exactly my dream but I was definitely interested in the position. It's just so hard to get any job at all these days, I've been looking for months for anything even vaguely related to my degree, so I was really hoping this one would work out since I put so much time into the process.

The HR person also said something like "we acknowledge your education and it was a strong application and we will forward your file to other departments" but I think they say that to everybody who gets rejected by their department (as opposed to rejected by security etc). I don't expect anything to come of it.

They also said my clearance process will continue, so maybe I could work for a different agency...


Yeah, I feel you. I myself didn't have much luck finding a job after I graduated 2 years ago. The only one I got before this year was at Revature, but I wasn't comfortable with the 2-year contract, and their training was too fast paced.

The fact that they kept saying I'm still processing makes me worried, since I might get rejected without getting my clearance or even meeting with my BI. You seem to have gotten through them, so hopefully you can get your clearance.

Have other recruiters contacted you?


Government recruiters? No. Recruiters from India trying to get me to move to the middle of nowhere to work 12$/hour jobs at an IT help desk? Plenty.
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#590 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2019 9:31:43 AM(UTC)
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It wasn't an HR or security decision, it was the department I was going to work with decided not to go forward with me, which is a surprise becuase I feel my interviews went very well... I didn't get any actual reasons, though. Just that they decided that I'm not the right person.


Apply again in a year after you get more work experience or education. Unfortunately for me, I'm done with schooling for the foreseeable future. And my work doesn't give me any experience in this field. I'm not giving up, but it doesn't look promising for me. You can still do it if this is your dream. Maybe look into some private sector careers? Or another agency to get your foot in the door!


Thanks for the encouragement, I may apply again later... working at NSA specifically isn't exactly my dream but I was definitely interested in the position. It's just so hard to get any job at all these days, I've been looking for months for anything even vaguely related to my degree, so I was really hoping this one would work out since I put so much time into the process.

The HR person also said something like "we acknowledge your education and it was a strong application and we will forward your file to other departments" but I think they say that to everybody who gets rejected by their department (as opposed to rejected by security etc). I don't expect anything to come of it.

They also said my clearance process will continue, so maybe I could work for a different agency...


Yeah, I feel you. I myself didn't have much luck finding a job after I graduated 2 years ago. The only one I got before this year was at Revature, but I wasn't comfortable with the 2-year contract, and their training was too fast paced.

The fact that they kept saying I'm still processing makes me worried, since I might get rejected without getting my clearance or even meeting with my BI. You seem to have gotten through them, so hopefully you can get your clearance.

Have other recruiters contacted you?


Government recruiters? No. Recruiters from India trying to get me to move to the middle of nowhere to work 12$/hour jobs at an IT help desk? Plenty.


Haha. I got a lot of that too.
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#591 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:07:45 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the encouragement, I may apply again later... working at NSA specifically isn't exactly my dream but I was definitely interested in the position. It's just so hard to get any job at all these days, I've been looking for months for anything even vaguely related to my degree, so I was really hoping this one would work out since I put so much time into the process.
The HR person also said something like "we acknowledge your education and it was a strong application and we will forward your file to other departments" but I think they say that to everybody who gets rejected by their department (as opposed to rejected by security etc). I don't expect anything to come of it.
They also said my clearance process will continue, so maybe I could work for a different agency...


Wow, this is nuts maan! Really sorry...
I am still in background/security-process - been over 4 months now! Out of curiosity, do you have a PhD in Math or a Masters degree?
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#592 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:12:19 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for the encouragement, I may apply again later... working at NSA specifically isn't exactly my dream but I was definitely interested in the position. It's just so hard to get any job at all these days, I've been looking for months for anything even vaguely related to my degree, so I was really hoping this one would work out since I put so much time into the process.
The HR person also said something like "we acknowledge your education and it was a strong application and we will forward your file to other departments" but I think they say that to everybody who gets rejected by their department (as opposed to rejected by security etc). I don't expect anything to come of it.
They also said my clearance process will continue, so maybe I could work for a different agency...


Wow, this is nuts maan! Really sorry...
I am still in background/security-process - been over 4 months now! Out of curiosity, do you have a PhD in Math or a Masters degree?


I have a dual BS in chemistry and math, and a masters in computational chemistry; I was in a PhD program (for computational chemistry) but the lab I was in dissolved (pun kind of intended) and fell apart due to reasons beyond my control, so I decided to leave the PhD with a masters.
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#593 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2019 10:48:24 AM(UTC)
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Every single time I see a fellow candidate get a rejection, it sends shivers up my spine.

Its been 442 days since I started this journey, and 350 days since my offer. I try to sit it and forget it, but sometimes I still worry here and there.
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#594 Posted : Tuesday, November 19, 2019 11:32:14 AM(UTC)
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Every single time I see a fellow candidate get a rejection, it sends shivers up my spine.

Its been 442 days since I started this journey, and 350 days since my offer. I try to sit it and forget it, but sometimes I still worry here and there.


I would try not to worry, sometimes it is out of your control. In fact if you answered everything honestly and completely you should not worry, but understand its possible to make it through the process and still not be selected. You can also try for contractor positions if it comes to the point where you have made it through the clearance process but not selected by the hiring division.
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#595 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 8:56:18 AM(UTC)
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Just got the call to set up poly and psych
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Posting my timeline to share:

5/2019 job fair
6/2019 multiple phone interviews and tests
7/2019 on site interview and verbal CJO
8/2019 written CJO
9/2019 equip submitted
10/2019 more documentation requested, paperwork resubmitted
11/2019 former associates are being interviewed

Thank you to the forum members, this is a very great place for some stress relief. I'm up for what I would consider an ideal job for me,
just want to get this hiring process done.
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#597 Posted : Wednesday, November 20, 2019 2:19:43 PM(UTC)
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3/19 Applied
4/19 interview
4/19 CJO
4/19 Submitted sf86
4/19 requested clarification for sf86
5/19 soft credit pull
5/19 met with BI and and references contacted
10/19 Scheduled poly + psych
11/19 Scheduled for poly + psych
11/19 Poly 1 - Failed Both Portions
11/19 Poly 2 - Added additional portion for a total of 3 portions, passed 2/3 portions

Was told they want me to come back for a third poly. Not sure what to make of this.
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Been lurking for a bit, so here's my timeline so far -

9/19 - attended NSA event at my school and applied; realized that I forgot to reference the tech recruiter who told me to apply and asked for advice, IC careers told me to reapply, did so; invited to do a HireVue interview
10/19 - interview completed
10/19 - CJO extended; SF-86 requested; contacted by technical recruiter (different one) to chat on the phone; SF-86 submitted; chat on phone with tech recruiter; security team reaches out and asks for additional information regarding two points on my SF-86; forms resubmitted (within a day or two); recruiter informs me to expect a 6 to 9 month time period on clearance
11/19 - another recruiter lets me know that the security team has confirmed that they've received my paperwork and the scheduling team will reach out to me to schedule my suitability processing (Poly/Psych/Discussions with various managers)

I put in for the computer science professional entry level position, if that makes any difference. Haven't traveled out of the country in the last 14 or 15 years, no felonies/misdemeanors, only lived in one place for the past 10 years. What'll make things interesting for me is that I've got a few foreign contacts I know through online writing, all from friendly nations though. We shall see. Settling in for the long wait.


Timeline update time:

today - called by BI to set up a meeting, request for information on references so they can be contacted as well. Notified references to expect BI to come a-callin'.
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09/18 - Applied
09/18 - Resume/Transcripts requested
10/18 - Recruiter Introduction/Scheduling of Interview
11/18 - Interviewed
12/18 - CJO
12/18 - eQIP submitted
01/19 - Credit Pulled
04/19 - Poly (Passed)
04/19 - Psych Completed, Documents Requested
05/19 - Requested documents returned
07/19 - BI Subject Interview face to face, with current employer also.
08/19 - Recruiter notified me that the remainder of my processing could take 4-6 months average, voicemail to tell me I am still processing
10/19 - 3rd new recruiter, no update.



11/19 - Final Clearance Granted, position no longer available.



So... there's that.

Recruiter said she is forwarding my resume to other hiring managers to try and find a position for me. I'm feeling all sorts of ways, right now.

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09/18 - Applied
09/18 - Resume/Transcripts requested
10/18 - Recruiter Introduction/Scheduling of Interview
11/18 - Interviewed
12/18 - CJO
12/18 - eQIP submitted
01/19 - Credit Pulled
04/19 - Poly (Passed)
04/19 - Psych Completed, Documents Requested
05/19 - Requested documents returned
07/19 - BI Subject Interview face to face, with current employer also.
08/19 - Recruiter notified me that the remainder of my processing could take 4-6 months average, voicemail to tell me I am still processing
10/19 - 3rd new recruiter, no update.



11/19 - Final Clearance Granted, position no longer available.



So... there's that.

Recruiter said she is forwarding my resume to other hiring managers to try and find a position for me. I'm feeling all sorts of ways, right now.


I would start to apply to contractor positions as well. If you dont get hired in a certain amount of time you will have to go through the process again, however the BI portion might not be long. I was in a similar situation and ended up having to do the poly, psych assessments again.
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