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FSfan  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, March 05, 2019 2:12:39 PM(UTC)

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i'm currently a gs 14 step 4 in dc... (competitive service)
been looking for opportunities to move back to california and was recently offered a job that has a promotion potential at a gs 14 (excepted service)

however, the office told me that HR said they can only hire me at a gs 13 if they want to do it through direct hiring authority... and HR said that they cannot salary match due to a "repromotion rule" so they can only offer me a 13 step 7 as opposed to a 13 step 10...

this whole thing sounds really strange.... thinking about going back to the people making the hiring decision to figure out whether there is some miscommunication between the grades being offered...

just wanted to throw this out to you folks with a ton more knowledge than me on this.... is there such a thing as a 'repromotion rule' where they cannot salary match on a grade down? also, is there a rule that direct hiring must be done at less than promotion potential?
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, March 06, 2019 4:08:34 AM(UTC)
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Sounds like they are trying to save money. They could simply do a lateral transfer if they wanted.
You should have voted Cthulu...the greatest of all Evils
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, March 06, 2019 7:50:12 AM(UTC)
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Only a guess. The 13 because you'd be eligible for the whole gs step down = non-competitive hiring?
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#4 Posted : Saturday, March 09, 2019 7:33:47 AM(UTC)

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Excepted service positions are any federal or civil service positions which are not in the competitive service or the Senior Executive service. Excepted service agencies set their own qualification requirements and are not subject to the appointment, pay, and classification rules in title 5, United States Code.
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#5 Posted : Monday, March 11, 2019 2:54:53 AM(UTC)
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Excepted service positions are any federal or civil service positions which are not in the competitive service or the Senior Executive service. Excepted service agencies set their own qualification requirements and are not subject to the appointment, pay, and classification rules in title 5, United States Code.
I don't see where the OP said the position was in the excepted service, only that it was a Direct Hire (which can be done in the competitive service as well).

You should have voted Cthulu...the greatest of all Evils
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#6 Posted : Monday, March 11, 2019 4:30:34 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: frankgonzalez Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: VetPref68 Go to Quoted Post
Excepted service positions are any federal or civil service positions which are not in the competitive service or the Senior Executive service. Excepted service agencies set their own qualification requirements and are not subject to the appointment, pay, and classification rules in title 5, United States Code.
I don't see where the OP said the position was in the excepted service, only that it was a Direct Hire (which can be done in the competitive service as well).



It was literally the 2nd line of the OPs post.

i'm currently a gs 14 step 4 in dc... (competitive service)
been looking for opportunities to move back to california and was recently offered a job that has a promotion potential at a gs 14 (excepted service)
thanks 1 user thanked cyberfx1024 for this useful post.
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#7 Posted : Monday, March 11, 2019 6:06:24 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: frankgonzalez Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: VetPref68 Go to Quoted Post
Excepted service positions are any federal or civil service positions which are not in the competitive service or the Senior Executive service. Excepted service agencies set their own qualification requirements and are not subject to the appointment, pay, and classification rules in title 5, United States Code.
I don't see where the OP said the position was in the excepted service, only that it was a Direct Hire (which can be done in the competitive service as well).



It was literally the 2nd line of the OPs post.

i'm currently a gs 14 step 4 in dc... (competitive service)
been looking for opportunities to move back to california and was recently offered a job that has a promotion potential at a gs 14 (excepted service)

My bad....reading too early and before caffeine kicks in is not good...
You should have voted Cthulu...the greatest of all Evils
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#8 Posted : Thursday, March 14, 2019 6:46:02 AM(UTC)
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If it is a change to lower grade than the 14/4 to 13/7 is correct. They cannot offer you anything higher.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, March 14, 2019 2:59:57 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: FSfan Go to Quoted Post
i'm currently a gs 14 step 4 in dc... (competitive service)
been looking for opportunities to move back to california and was recently offered a job that has a promotion potential at a gs 14 (excepted service)

however, the office told me that HR said they can only hire me at a gs 13 if they want to do it through direct hiring authority... and HR said that they cannot salary match due to a "repromotion rule" so they can only offer me a 13 step 7 as opposed to a 13 step 10...

this whole thing sounds really strange.... thinking about going back to the people making the hiring decision to figure out whether there is some miscommunication between the grades being offered...

just wanted to throw this out to you folks with a ton more knowledge than me on this.... is there such a thing as a 'repromotion rule' where they cannot salary match on a grade down? also, is there a rule that direct hiring must be done at less than promotion potential?


So have them use another hiring authority, not Direct Hire. They can offer you a lateral transfer, since you're already a 14. Cali is as expensive as D.C. in most places. I wouldn't take the downgrade unless you have no other option. Ask them to consider you for a non-competitive lateral transfer.

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