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BumblinAround  
#1 Posted : Monday, April 15, 2019 4:29:11 AM(UTC)
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If a job on USAJobs is only open to applications for four days, is it safe to assume that an internal candidate is already in line to accept the position? (Or ... some other internal scenario which makes the job posting only a formality?)

The federal applications take so much time that I don't want to be fooled into applying for stuff that's 0 percent possible from Stage 1.

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#2 Posted : Monday, April 15, 2019 4:43:26 AM(UTC)
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Apply and move on. If it's open, you qualify for it, and are interested in it, just apply. Don't worry about if there's a hypothetical internal candidate already lined up for it.
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#3 Posted : Monday, April 15, 2019 4:54:01 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: habu987 Go to Quoted Post
Apply and move on. If it's open, you qualify for it, and are interested in it, just apply. Don't worry about if there's a hypothetical internal candidate already lined up for it.


I hear you, but I don't consider it that casual... this application would take me about six hours to complete, including reformatting my resume and writing essays. I'm more than willing to go through that process for a "real" job possibility, but common sense tells me the job would be open for more than four days if it was actually valid.

On the flip side, I'm guessing a lot of potential applicants would make this same assumption and not apply, which could narrow the pool and give me better chances if there IS a real job.

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#4 Posted : Monday, April 15, 2019 4:58:35 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BumblinAround Go to Quoted Post
If a job on USAJobs is only open to applications for four days, is it safe to assume that an internal candidate is already in line to accept the position? (Or ... some other internal scenario which makes the job posting only a formality?)

The federal applications take so much time that I don't want to be fooled into applying for stuff that's 0 percent possible from Stage 1.


If an internal candidate is desired, then the agency can generally post to internal candidates only. The public vacancy announcements open for short periods that I have seen have been for jobs for which hundreds of applications are usually received. Therefore, the short time is to limit the number of applications that must be dealt with. I have yet to see a public announcement used for positions where sufficient qualified internal candidates are available. I have "heard" of some hiring officials wanting specific external candidates to apply, so I guess that's a possibility. I have just never seen it used in practice at the agencies where I have worked.
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"this application would take me about six hours to complete, including reformatting my resume and writing essays."

Are you using USAJobs to apply? Have you completely set up the USAJobs resume? Essays?
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#6 Posted : Monday, April 15, 2019 6:33:05 AM(UTC)
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The position I just got a final offer for was only open for 2 days. The only job you have zero chance of getting is the one you didn't apply for. The less time the job is open the fewer people you will be competing against.
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Many jobs have shorter windows now. Even if its open 2 weeks it usually say only open till the first 100 applicants.

I dont understand why this will take you 6 hrs
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#8 Posted : Monday, April 15, 2019 9:11:31 AM(UTC)
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I dont understand why this will take you 6 hrs


This.

I don’t understand the OPs comment about essays. Haven’t had to do those in years. Just applied for a 14. It had quite a few questions, but still only took 20 minutes to complete.
The excuse of, "I read it on FederalSoup..." won't work. Please do your due diligence.
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#9 Posted : Monday, April 15, 2019 1:27:14 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BumblinAround Go to Quoted Post
If a job on USAJobs is only open to applications for four days, is it safe to assume that an internal candidate is already in line to accept the position? (Or ... some other internal scenario which makes the job posting only a formality?)

The federal applications take so much time that I don't want to be fooled into applying for stuff that's 0 percent possible from Stage 1.



No, it isn't safe to assume that. If an agency wanted to hire from within there are a number of ways they can do it completely within the rules.

Six hours?! I have frequently completed applications with questionnaires and lots of uploaded docs in less than 10 minutes.
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I think the longest application I did had probably 30+ multiple choice questions along with 4-5 essay questions, each with a ~2000 word limit. I want to say that one took me 60-75 minutes to do from start to finish, but it certainly didn't take 6 hours.
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#11 Posted : Monday, April 15, 2019 1:39:27 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: habu987 Go to Quoted Post
Apply and move on. If it's open, you qualify for it, and are interested in it, just apply. Don't worry about if there's a hypothetical internal candidate already lined up for it.


I hear you, but I don't consider it that casual... this application would take me about six hours to complete, including reformatting my resume and writing essays. I'm more than willing to go through that process for a "real" job possibility, but common sense tells me the job would be open for more than four days if it was actually valid.

On the flip side, I'm guessing a lot of potential applicants would make this same assumption and not apply, which could narrow the pool and give me better chances if there IS a real job.



You truly are a "new hire" if it takes you six hours to complete a application for a job. The only thing that should take some time is formatting your resume correctly so that it is a "federal resume" and using the USAjobs resume builder. Once you have that done and you have your supporting documents, it should take you 20 minutes at most to apply for jobs. You need to stop worrying about tailoring your resume to every specific position and make one which targets the general field that you want to work. You will most likely have to apply for 30+ jobs before even getting an interview.

To answer your question, there are no "fake" job postings on USAjobs. The ones that are open for 4 days (which is actually standard) are to limit the number of applications.
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#12 Posted : Monday, April 15, 2019 4:32:10 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for the thoughts everyone. I'm going to apply. Soon!

Re: my "it's going to take six hours" comment, that may have been a an exaggeration, but this is only my second time applying to a federal job and I have a lot of reading up to do on the process. I'm still very unsure of myself with the federal resume... last time I expanded my normal one-pager to two pages but I know more is probably needed. (I did get a referral and interview last time, but I have a feeling they didn't care too much about resume format.)

This new job also has five questions requiring written responses "up to 2,000 words." I'm calling those "essays." They'll take me a while.

So yeah, totally dreading this.
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#13 Posted : Monday, April 15, 2019 5:18:55 PM(UTC)
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Yeah, nobody has time to be posting "fake" job announcements. There's a lot of people involved in the recruitment and hiring process in different offices (and a lot of work, energy, and valuable time to try and do things right by merit promotion principles, etc.) for there to be some sort of conspiracy or anything like that.

There's nothing wrong with telling internal candidates about job openings and a supervisor even liking someone a lot (based on knowing the person's qualities through personal knowledge and interactions)--but everyone still has to qualify and make the cert, which is out of the hiring official's hands. It has happened many times...an "ideal" internal candidate shockingly deemed "not qualified" for a position by the HR Specialist who was following the OPM qualification guidelines to a "T" and the person did not demonstrate sufficiently, re: qualifications, in their application package.

I know it seems suspicious that an announcement would close so quickly, but like what the others said, there are reasons that that could happen. It happend in our office very recently. It was open to internal and external candidates and it literally closed in less than 24 hours (300+ applications were submitted basically immediately!).
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#14 Posted : Monday, April 15, 2019 5:21:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BumblinAround Go to Quoted Post
Thanks for the thoughts everyone. I'm going to apply. Soon!

Re: my "it's going to take six hours" comment, that may have been a an exaggeration, but this is only my second time applying to a federal job and I have a lot of reading up to do on the process. I'm still very unsure of myself with the federal resume... last time I expanded my normal one-pager to two pages but I know more is probably needed. (I did get a referral and interview last time, but I have a feeling they didn't care too much about resume format.)

This new job also has five questions requiring written responses "up to 2,000 words." I'm calling those "essays." They'll take me a while.

So yeah, totally dreading this.


Hi Bumblin. I think it may help us conceptualize your problems if you're able to tell us the field and/or pay scale level (gs 4/6/8/10/etc or another). Specialty fields and the like are obviously going to ask applicants to explain their background more.
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#15 Posted : Monday, April 15, 2019 5:57:18 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: BumblinAround Go to Quoted Post
If a job on USAJobs is only open to applications for four days, is it safe to assume that an internal candidate is already in line to accept the position? (Or ... some other internal scenario which makes the job posting only a formality?)

The federal applications take so much time that I don't want to be fooled into applying for stuff that's 0 percent possible from Stage 1.



Nope, I have been selected to jobs opened for 2 days and 4 days. Not every job is like that. Apply and test the waters.ost people hold themselves back because of crazy 3 or 4 day postings.
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, April 16, 2019 3:02:55 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Polar Bear Go to Quoted Post

Hi Bumblin. I think it may help us conceptualize your problems if you're able to tell us the field and/or pay scale level (gs 4/6/8/10/etc or another). Specialty fields and the like are obviously going to ask applicants to explain their background more.


@PolarBear, I'm in the writing/editing field, and so far my experience is only in private sector. I've been trying to see how I can transition this to work into the federal government. In my previous attempt, I got a referral and interview for a GS-12 writer/editor position with an agency in DC (but ultimately didn't get the job). This new position is a GS-12 as well.

The resume stuff is particularly complicated bc I've done a lot of freelancing and contracting work, and it's hard to know how to present that. With the application questions, I've been told by other federal employees to give very rote responses emphasizing and repeating keywords, but that goes against my instincts as a writer/editor to be succinct and non-redundant.

So there's just a huge learning curve here. I expect I'll learn more with each job application, but in the meantime my mistakes will cost me opportunities.

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