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MPE2009  
#21 Posted : Monday, July 22, 2019 6:19:55 AM(UTC)
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what is considered coming in late? is it past the 8 click window?


If your start time is 7.50 and you clock on after 7.58, you are late if they wish to enforce that. They however are not mandated by regulation to strictly enforce that, although their bosses in an effort to improve the workplace morale might insist on it. So it's back to flavor of the month, and which idiot chose the flavor this month or which idiot screwed it up for everybody else.
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#22 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2019 6:10:31 PM(UTC)
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what is considered coming in late? is it past the 8 click window?


If your start time is 7.50 and you clock on after 7.58, you are late if they wish to enforce that. They however are not mandated by regulation to strictly enforce that, although their bosses in an effort to improve the workplace morale might insist on it. So it's back to flavor of the month, and which idiot chose the flavor this month or which idiot screwed it up for everybody else.


Let's say an employee clocked in a few clicks late (in the 7.59-7.65 range) 25 times a year for 2 years.

Is that something a postmaster would look at and potentially deny a transfer request for?
Stating that you were late 50 times over the last 2 years?
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#23 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2019 6:46:00 PM(UTC)
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what is considered coming in late? is it past the 8 click window?


If your start time is 7.50 and you clock on after 7.58, you are late if they wish to enforce that. They however are not mandated by regulation to strictly enforce that, although their bosses in an effort to improve the workplace morale might insist on it. So it's back to flavor of the month, and which idiot chose the flavor this month or which idiot screwed it up for everybody else.


Let's say an employee clocked in a few clicks late (in the 7.59-7.65 range) 25 times a year for 2 years.

Is that something a postmaster would look at and potentially deny a transfer request for?
Stating that you were late 50 times over the last 2 years?


They won't see it unless it is reflected on your 3972. Have you looked at the 3972? I suspect if your manager does not care, it probably is not reflected in the 3972.
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#24 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2019 6:51:25 PM(UTC)
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what is considered coming in late? is it past the 8 click window?


If your start time is 7.50 and you clock on after 7.58, you are late if they wish to enforce that. They however are not mandated by regulation to strictly enforce that, although their bosses in an effort to improve the workplace morale might insist on it. So it's back to flavor of the month, and which idiot chose the flavor this month or which idiot screwed it up for everybody else.


Let's say an employee clocked in a few clicks late (in the 7.59-7.65 range) 25 times a year for 2 years.

Is that something a postmaster would look at and potentially deny a transfer request for?
Stating that you were late 50 times over the last 2 years?


They won't see it unless it is reflected on your 3972. Have you looked at the 3972? I suspect if your manager does not care, it probably is not reflected in the 3972.


Is the 3972 something that they need to be putting in on a daily basis? or could they suddenly decide to input a years worth of late clock ins whenever they want?
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#25 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2019 7:38:49 PM(UTC)
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what is considered coming in late? is it past the 8 click window?


If your start time is 7.50 and you clock on after 7.58, you are late if they wish to enforce that. They however are not mandated by regulation to strictly enforce that, although their bosses in an effort to improve the workplace morale might insist on it. So it's back to flavor of the month, and which idiot chose the flavor this month or which idiot screwed it up for everybody else.


Let's say an employee clocked in a few clicks late (in the 7.59-7.65 range) 25 times a year for 2 years.

Is that something a postmaster would look at and potentially deny a transfer request for?
Stating that you were late 50 times over the last 2 years?


They won't see it unless it is reflected on your 3972. Have you looked at the 3972? I suspect if your manager does not care, it probably is not reflected in the 3972.


Is the 3972 something that they need to be putting in on a daily basis? or could they suddenly decide to input a years worth of late clock ins whenever they want?


3972 should be used on a daily bases.

but you know management, this is why one should ask to see theirs every month.
Postal employee (retired) 38 yrs who helps even if some do not believe me! I was a Steward, officer & trouble maker. Just Sayin'
MPE2009  
#26 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2019 5:26:03 AM(UTC)
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what is considered coming in late? is it past the 8 click window?


If your start time is 7.50 and you clock on after 7.58, you are late if they wish to enforce that. They however are not mandated by regulation to strictly enforce that, although their bosses in an effort to improve the workplace morale might insist on it. So it's back to flavor of the month, and which idiot chose the flavor this month or which idiot screwed it up for everybody else.


Let's say an employee clocked in a few clicks late (in the 7.59-7.65 range) 25 times a year for 2 years.

Is that something a postmaster would look at and potentially deny a transfer request for?
Stating that you were late 50 times over the last 2 years?


If you are less than eight clicks late and do not register a clock ring error where your times are off by more than eight clicks for the entire day, it will not show up. I'm not even sure if it could be manually entered if it's less than eight clicks. ERMS simply doesn't work that way.

A 3972 is a record of attendance. It shows your days off and any leave you take. It will also show lates if entered by management. However lets say you get done 20 minutes early and the boss gives you permission to leave or even if you walk in the door and ask for the day off, when you see there are extra CCA's available. In theory a good boss, who allowed you to leave due to his not needing you, should mark your leave as scheduled. I had a boss who in several instances simply recorded my leave as unscheduled and then attempted to have an attendance discussion with me. That's why postalvet suggests you check your 3972 monthly. I don't think monthly is really needed unless you've got a bad boss and are wanting to transfer. But definitely take a look at it during the year.

The reality is that the contract and even the ELM demand that the boss treats every individual as an individual, no arbitrary rules. In practice, that varies. It is also made difficult by union representatives that try to remove or attenuate discipline by claiming the boss didn't treat everyone fairly and by sc...bag bosses who do not treat everyone fairly, while also taking individual circumstances into account. The military always taught me to treat subordinates with respect and attention to their needs... the post office demands that managers simply shut up and do as they're told by the idiots in charge. They seldom address treating all employees with respect and dignity, except when they're eating their own.
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