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colty31  
#1 Posted : Saturday, August 17, 2019 5:43:06 PM(UTC)
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Has anyone had a CCA "pass" on getting converted?

It happened in my office today, we had 2 spots to fill and the #2 and #3 CCAs were converted as the #1 passed on making career.

I was a bit dumbfounded when I heard the news.

Supposedly the reason is that this CCA is currently doing collections and didn't want to get forced on one of the available routes. Just wants to keep doing what he's doing.

**?
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#2 Posted : Saturday, August 17, 2019 5:59:55 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: colty31 Go to Quoted Post
Has anyone had a CCA "pass" on getting converted?

It happened in my office today, we had 2 spots to fill and the #2 and #3 CCAs were converted as the #1 passed on making career.

I was a bit dumbfounded when I heard the news.

Supposedly the reason is that this CCA is currently doing collections and didn't want to get forced on one of the available routes. Just wants to keep doing what he's doing.

**?


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colty31  
#3 Posted : Saturday, August 17, 2019 6:08:25 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: colty31 Go to Quoted Post
Has anyone had a CCA "pass" on getting converted?

It happened in my office today, we had 2 spots to fill and the #2 and #3 CCAs were converted as the #1 passed on making career.

I was a bit dumbfounded when I heard the news.

Supposedly the reason is that this CCA is currently doing collections and didn't want to get forced on one of the available routes. Just wants to keep doing what he's doing.

**?


question 74
page 22

https://www.nalc.org/mem..._rights_and_benefits.pdf


You love that handbook LOL

My question was if anyone has actually HAD it happen, not if it's allowed
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#4 Posted : Saturday, August 17, 2019 6:08:30 PM(UTC)
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That's... honestly a pretty terrible reason to pass up career benefits, but, hey, "you do you".

I do know several CCAs who passed on conversion because they were (at the time) less than a year in and did not want to go through a second probation. Once they got through their first BIS they accepted the next conversion opportunity.
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#5 Posted : Sunday, August 18, 2019 4:19:00 AM(UTC)
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That's... honestly a pretty terrible reason to pass up career benefits, but, hey, "you do you".

I do know several CCAs who passed on conversion because they were (at the time) less than a year in and did not want to go through a second probation. Once they got through their first BIS they accepted the next conversion opportunity.


Assuming you're a letter carrier (CCA), the 90 work days / 120 calendar day (whichever comes first) probation period starts from your original hire date. Any 360 day term after that doesn't result in a new probationary period.

They were duped. Lol
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#6 Posted : Sunday, August 18, 2019 5:02:57 AM(UTC)
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In the beginning there was a 2nd probation if you were converted in less than 1 year.

To pass on conversation because the route is less than desirable is ludicrous. Guess what route will be the open route the next time? The less desirable one.

Missing out on who knows ho many months of retirement vesting, TSP matching and earlier step increases is very short sighted.
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#7 Posted : Sunday, August 18, 2019 6:14:24 AM(UTC)
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I understood that there was an agreement that the probation rules for a career carrier was changed. And the change was that if the person had been a CCA for over a year there would not be a second probation. But that if they were converted before a year they would have a second probation. This has been important in our office because we have had a huge turnover rate. It has been rare for any CCA hired at our office to reach a year anyway. It is just as likely that our CCAs would have their probations overlap.

So I am interested if the rules changed again.

"In the beginning there was a 2nd probation if you were converted in less than 1 year."

I thought the beginning was there was a probation for all converted no matter how long they had been non-career.

And then the agreement was that there would be none once a year was logged as a CCA.

And now?
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#8 Posted : Sunday, August 18, 2019 6:20:49 AM(UTC)
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Early morning camping post, I am likely mixing my information up.
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#9 Posted : Sunday, August 18, 2019 7:44:57 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Hannah Blecter Go to Quoted Post
I understood that there was an agreement that the probation rules for a career carrier was changed. And the change was that if the person had been a CCA for over a year there would not be a second probation. But that if they were converted before a year they would have a second probation. This has been important in our office because we have had a huge turnover rate. It has been rare for any CCA hired at our office to reach a year anyway. It is just as likely that our CCAs would have their probations overlap.

So I am interested if the rules changed again.

"In the beginning there was a 2nd probation if you were converted in less than 1 year."

I thought the beginning was there was a probation for all converted no matter how long they had been non-career.

And then the agreement was that there would be none once a year was logged as a CCA.

And now?


That is still the case, yes. The original agreement was that you had to go through 2 years as a CCA in order to avoid a second probation. And then the parties agreed to change it to one year.

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#10 Posted : Sunday, August 18, 2019 9:12:14 AM(UTC)
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Early morning camping post, I am likely mixing my information up.


That sounds like fun! Enjoy! I was not correcting. I just needed to know the current info. because it has been a big deal in our office. One CCA was sure they promoted him JUST before a year so they could fire him! But he stayed on after being converted. He actually is a great worker. A couple managers just did not like him personally.
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#11 Posted : Sunday, August 18, 2019 3:09:22 PM(UTC)
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You grab the brass ring FIRST, then you jump to the nicer pony.

Fool. It's like having a winning lotto ticket, then stashing it to avoid taxes.

What's better? 100% of better, or 0% of much better?

It's like the old joke: A man gets held up by a gunman. Gunman says, "Your money, or your life!"

The robbee says, "Might as well shoot me. I'll need my money for when I'm older".
We decide which is right; and which is an illusion. I've got blisters on me fingers!
colty31  
#12 Posted : Sunday, August 18, 2019 7:05:27 PM(UTC)
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I spoke to him about it and there's a bit more to the story but I won't go into it.

We've had a couple other routes go vacant/residual so he will prob get converted next month (assuming he accepts)

Part of his reasoning was that he let a CCA under him take a route that THEY actually like.
So being too nice was one of the reasons.
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