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Exit7A  
#21 Posted : Monday, January 13, 2020 8:50:16 PM(UTC)
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I heard rumors from my agency, that some of the hr specialist will refer applicants just because of their name and not their qualifications.

What happens if your resume is written substantially well, but your name is foreign that is affiliated with a not so popular religion such as Muslim. Are there HR Specialist that discriminate against people because of there name?


What??!!?! Government hires from all backgrounds. What agency is this from??
That's all I got to say about that.
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#22 Posted : Monday, January 13, 2020 10:33:51 PM(UTC)

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I heard rumors from my agency, that some of the hr specialist will refer applicants just because of their name and not their qualifications.

What happens if your resume is written substantially well, but your name is foreign that is affiliated with a not so popular religion such as Muslim. Are there HR Specialist that discriminate against people because of there name?


Probably. If it's the hiring manafer though,at least theres a silver lining. Would you really want to work for him unless there were no other jobs, because i imagine he'd probably make it a living hell. The only upside to it might be that perhaps you could make his life similarly unpleasant. If it's the hr person, then it would be hard to even know. But at there's one thing in your favor. Most of them, whether they are bigots of not, probably don't care enough to bother discriminating. One question is, do they even see the names. Many companies nowadays strip names off because they can identify gender and race, and by taking steps to ensure a gender and race BLK d process they create a level of protection against claims if discrimination in the hiring process.

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#23 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2020 9:10:19 AM(UTC)
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This happened to me, I applied for a job at my office. I had the education and experience, but hr did not refer my application because they said there was a best qualified candidate. The person turn out she had to experience at all, and knew nothing about the job.


The ONLY thing this shows is that you need to work on your resume and tailor to the specific vacancy announcement. Nothing more, nothing less.
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No experience? Don't you hate it when they hire them straight out of the clone vat, still dripping on the carpet, with the umbilical still attached.....
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#25 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2020 10:08:35 AM(UTC)
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No experience? Don't you hate it when they hire them straight out of the clone vat, still dripping on the carpet, with the umbilical still attached.....


Actually it was "to experience" I'm deducting one point for reading comprehension.

Of course, it could have meant "Too experienced" which would have made just as much sense.
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#26 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2020 12:24:43 PM(UTC)
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I just find it comical that I got picked up for a GS-11 Biologist job out of state, but for some reason another agency HR department thinks I am not qualified or lacks education for a GS-5 Biological Science Technician job in my home state. I would rather take a low paying job, than having to move elsewhere. I already know about the natural resource concerns in my hometown, so I wouldn't have to spend time learning about another state concerns.

One of the workers who used to work as a contractor, he has no veteran preference. He just drove our company vehicle, and slept in the office because he was homeless. Somehow he is qualified referred and gets hired, and hr tells me not qualified and lacks education.

I seen this many times, do you think its ethical for selecting official to give there friend a resume and tell them to change the name on it to get the job?
Sounds like you need a better resume if, as according to you, a homeless driver was able to be referred and hired while you were deemed not qualified. A note on the education piece...if you simply say you have a degree, you will find that you may not be referred. The education piece requires you tell us the specific courses related to the job. Can HR make mistakes? Absolutely. Do applicants leave out critical information? More often than HR making mistakes.

If I am hiring an Electrical Engineer, the first requirement is an Engineering degree. They also need classes in electrical engineering whether as part of their "Engineering Degree" or as additional courses taken after they got their degree.

The same is true in many other jobs where a degree is required. In others, simply having a degree in the general field is all that is needed. Others require the degree and specialized certification.

And then there are many jobs where experience or specialized training/certification is all that is needed (such as in my series, 0260).

In all the cases though, the resume has to spell it out for the HR person who doesn't know what the job requires beyond the OPM standards and what the selecting official has provided to them. If I am hiring a computer programmer to work with my legacy FORTRAN code base, and you don't have FORTRAN listed anywhere in your resume, you may not make it far in the process. If you put it in there and are lying, we will pick it up in the resume review (the context you use a skill set doesn't match up with what the experts think)or if you make it to the interview and can't articulate the skill set..then off to the discard pile.

Even if I know you had to have used a specific computer program (for example MS Word), if you don't say it in the resume, you don't get credit for it.

You should have voted Cthulu...the greatest of all Evils
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I just find it comical that I got picked up for a GS-11 Biologist job out of state, but for some reason another agency HR department thinks I am not qualified or lacks education for a GS-5 Biological Science Technician job in my home state. I would rather take a low paying job, than having to move elsewhere. I already know about the natural resource concerns in my hometown, so I wouldn't have to spend time learning about another state concerns.

One of the workers who used to work as a contractor, he has no veteran preference. He just drove our company vehicle, and slept in the office because he was homeless. Somehow he is qualified referred and gets hired, and hr tells me not qualified and lacks education.

I seen this many times, do you think its ethical for selecting official to give there friend a resume and tell them to change the name on it to get the job?


There's usually an IG or some such. If you know of an employee who used a fraudulent resume to get the job, report it. It's not hard for an investigator to prove. But there's on obvious question. How do YOU know. Was this person just dumb enough to tell you this?

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