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joejoetj  
#1 Posted : Monday, January 13, 2020 9:33:06 AM(UTC)
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I see they hire direct to regular out there. Is there a reason other than cost of living?
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#2 Posted : Monday, January 13, 2020 11:10:26 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: joejoetj Go to Quoted Post
I see they hire direct to regular out there. Is there a reason other than cost of living?


management prerogative.
answers come from experience

Was a carrier despite what

Just Cause & rodger.d say

no one else has to prove anything

rip rbg
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#3 Posted : Monday, January 13, 2020 2:20:24 PM(UTC)
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nobody wants the job
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#4 Posted : Monday, January 13, 2020 2:30:10 PM(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: joejoetj Go to Quoted Post
I see they hire direct to regular out there. Is there a reason other than cost of living?


Yes.
The streets are covered in trash, needles and human feces.
Who wants that "walking route"?

"I will say there is more feces on the sidewalks than I've ever seen growing up here.
That is a huge problem, and we are not just talking about from dogs — we're talking about from humans."

- San Francisco Mayor London Breed


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#5 Posted : Monday, January 13, 2020 5:29:34 PM(UTC)
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It's all about the cost of living. I lived near Stanford University 20 years ago and even then I knew people who commuted 2-3 hours each way to work. They have huge problems finding enough people for many jobs(police, nurses, fireman etc) so really difficult on a CCA wage,not that a new regular makes much more but at least they get benefits.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2020 4:57:58 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: shackmaster Go to Quoted Post
It's all about the cost of living. I lived near Stanford University 20 years ago and even then I knew people who commuted 2-3 hours each way to work. They have huge problems finding enough people for many jobs(police, nurses, fireman etc) so really difficult on a CCA wage,not that a new regular makes much more but at least they get benefits.


I spent a year in school in San Francisco in the early 80's. It was a great city to be in. I still remember seeing the cheapest lofts in the city going for over $700/month. I can't imagine how ridiculously priced it is now. So who would want to live there and work there at postal wages and allow themselves to be abused, when almost anybody else in the city, even the homeless likely earn more money?
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2020 5:50:12 AM(UTC)

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Folks are being hired directly as Regulars not even as PTFs for their probationary period? That is a lot of vacancies. Does the district have an unofficial no delivery days to routes as they rotate people to cover vacated routes a few days a week?
Roger.D  
#8 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2020 11:24:05 AM(UTC)
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Maybe no one can pass a drug test?
Sarah J  
#9 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2020 12:33:10 PM(UTC)
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I saw this today on the public USPS website. I googled all the areas and figured;
Cost of living or
No one can pass the drug test.
I thought the homeless on sidewalks was an LA thing?

Maybe the routes are just lousy?
I'm not from that area so no idea.
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2020 12:55:15 PM(UTC)

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Cost of living I know of carriers who claim that were recruited to transfer north
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2020 8:05:09 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MPE2009 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: shackmaster Go to Quoted Post
It's all about the cost of living. I lived near Stanford University 20 years ago and even then I knew people who commuted 2-3 hours each way to work. They have huge problems finding enough people for many jobs(police, nurses, fireman etc) so really difficult on a CCA wage,not that a new regular makes much more but at least they get benefits.


I spent a year in school in San Francisco in the early 80's. It was a great city to be in. I still remember seeing the cheapest lofts in the city going for over $700/month. I can't imagine how ridiculously priced it is now. So who would want to live there and work there at postal wages and allow themselves to be abused, when almost anybody else in the city, even the homeless likely earn more money?


I have a friend out there that is paying $4100 per month for a 2-bedroom apt, and according to them its a "steal" for the neighborhood
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, January 14, 2020 11:51:35 PM(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: Sarah J Go to Quoted Post
I thought the homeless on sidewalks was an LA thing?


It's also a SF thing.
It's bad. VERY bad.
San Francisco’s infamous "poop map" will deter even the bravest letter carrier.
The new San Francisco treat.


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baxter0  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:43:23 PM(UTC)
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People living in the middle of nowhere and working for the post office shouldn't be paid what they do.
People in the city should be paid more.

But I have no idea how they would implement any kind of change.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:56:17 PM(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: baxter0 Go to Quoted Post
But I have no idea how they would implement any kind of change.


It's called locality pay.
Feds (non-postal) get a percentage increase to their salary to compensate for the different costs of living across the U.S.

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#15 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2020 1:08:16 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baxter0 Go to Quoted Post
People living in the middle of nowhere and working for the post office shouldn't be paid what they do.
People in the city should be paid more.

But I have no idea how they would implement any kind of change.


I know someone who turned down a PM job in the middle of nowhere because the COL was to high.

Blanket statements are not good.
baxter0  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2020 1:45:36 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: roger.d Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: baxter0 Go to Quoted Post
People living in the middle of nowhere and working for the post office shouldn't be paid what they do.
People in the city should be paid more.

But I have no idea how they would implement any kind of change.


I know someone who turned down a PM job in the middle of nowhere because the COL was to high.

Blanket statements are not good.


Exactly, which is why i said it would be hard to implement. Too difficult to be on board with what the rental market is doing in a particular place.
EagleDog  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2020 1:57:18 PM(UTC)

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Exactly, which is why i said it would be hard to implement. Too difficult to be on board with what the rental market is doing in a particular place.


Federal employees in San Francisco (non-postal) get a a 40+% pay increase above base pay rates to account for higher costs of living in San Francisco.


Roger.D  
#18 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:14:44 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: baxter0 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: roger.d Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: baxter0 Go to Quoted Post
People living in the middle of nowhere and working for the post office shouldn't be paid what they do.
People in the city should be paid more.

But I have no idea how they would implement any kind of change.


I know someone who turned down a PM job in the middle of nowhere because the COL was to high.

Blanket statements are not good.


Exactly, which is why i said it would be hard to implement. Too difficult to be on board with what the rental market is doing in a particular place.


You are not making any sense.

John Henry  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, January 15, 2020 5:31:34 PM(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: EagleDog Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: baxter0 Go to Quoted Post
Exactly, which is why i said it would be hard to implement. Too difficult to be on board with what the rental market is doing in a particular place.


Federal employees in San Francisco (non-postal) get a a 40+% pay increase above base pay rates to account for higher costs of living in San Francisco.




Unfortunately for those in places like San Francisco it is the argument that carries the floors of the postal union's national conventions. So locality pay is not even part of negotiations with management.

The hope is that management will give at least the bare minimum to get employees for NYC and San Francisco. So in effect the people who live where there is zero adjustment get a de facto 40% more, i.e. the needed for San Franciscan's district level of pay in their local area.
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#20 Posted : Thursday, January 16, 2020 10:04:37 AM(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: joejoetj Go to Quoted Post
Is there a reason other than cost of living?


The hilly terrain of San Fran is legendary.
Not for the faint of heart or cardio-challenged.
Only postal sherpas need apply.


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