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DoD_Enemigo  
#1 Posted : Sunday, May 17, 2020 10:29:41 AM(UTC)
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Hello all, I'm currently in Germany as a GG12 Step 00 (2 steps above DC locality, in essence a GG12 step 12). I was a GG13 step 8 prior to this OCONUS assignment. I have return rights to my GG13 step 8 position. Now, I applied for and was selected for another position in south FL. I received the initial offer and is being given a GG13 Step 8. Now, it is my understanding that I should have been accumulating my WGI as if i never left the US position. My last WGI was in July 2014. I believe i should be offered GG13 step 10 based on the 2 step rule and the fact i had return rights correct? Any help is appreciated.

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Originally Posted by: DoD_Enemigo Go to Quoted Post
Hello all, I'm currently in Germany as a GG12 Step 00 (2 steps above DC locality, in essence a GG12 step 12). I was a GG13 step 8 prior to this OCONUS assignment. I have return rights to my GG13 step 8 position. Now, I applied for and was selected for another position in south FL. I received the initial offer and is being given a GG13 Step 8. Now, it is my understanding that I should have been accumulating my WGI as if i never left the US position. My last WGI was in July 2014. I believe i should be offered GG13 step 10 based on the 2 step rule and the fact i had return rights correct? Any help is appreciated.



Not sure how the two-step rule applies to WGI. Two-step refers to promotions. WGI refers to tenure.
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Originally Posted by: DoD_Enemigo Go to Quoted Post
Hello all, I'm currently in Germany as a GG12 Step 00 (2 steps above DC locality, in essence a GG12 step 12). I was a GG13 step 8 prior to this OCONUS assignment. I have return rights to my GG13 step 8 position. Now, I applied for and was selected for another position in south FL. I received the initial offer and is being given a GG13 Step 8. Now, it is my understanding that I should have been accumulating my WGI as if i never left the US position. My last WGI was in July 2014. I believe i should be offered GG13 step 10 based on the 2 step rule and the fact i had return rights correct? Any help is appreciated.



Not sure how the two-step rule applies to WGI. Two-step refers to promotions. WGI refers to tenure.


Unless there is some special provision for GG grades there is no chance to accrue WG time while occupying a different grade. The two step promotion rule could in theory give you a bump to 13/9 or 13/10 but would need to look at the numbers first.
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, May 19, 2020 2:53:43 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: DoD_Enemigo Go to Quoted Post
Hello all, I'm currently in Germany as a GG12 Step 00 (2 steps above DC locality, in essence a GG12 step 12). I was a GG13 step 8 prior to this OCONUS assignment. I have return rights to my GG13 step 8 position. Now, I applied for and was selected for another position in south FL. I received the initial offer and is being given a GG13 Step 8. Now, it is my understanding that I should have been accumulating my WGI as if i never left the US position. My last WGI was in July 2014. I believe i should be offered GG13 step 10 based on the 2 step rule and the fact i had return rights correct? Any help is appreciated.

As I re-read this, I realized a misunderstanding here. If you exercise your return rights, you are placed as if you had never left, to include any WGIs you would have received had you not left. HOWEVER...you are not exercising return rights...so that rule goes out the window. You applied for and accepted another position altogether, so they may simply offer to match your salary at the GG13 step 8 level as that is your previous rate. As you keep using GG, this would tell me you are currently excepted service and going to excepted service, so some different rules do apply.

HR gurus?

You should have voted Cthulu...the greatest of all Evils
someoldguy  
#5 Posted : Thursday, September 10, 2020 3:24:20 PM(UTC)
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Hijacking (sort of) this thread to ask a different but related question:

Let's say someone takes a promotion to move from a high-cost area with high locality pay (like LA or SF or Houston) to a location on the "Rest of US" pay scale. Would the two-step rule still apply?

So for example, somebody is a GS-12 step 3 in Los Angeles. That's a base pay of $93454 and if they got a promotion in LA, that would be 12/5 or $99268... which is still lower than 13/1 in LA.

But if they go to a "Rest of US" area, the two-step rule (if applicable) would take them to GS-13/4 and $100355, the next higher base pay for 13 in the other area.

Hope I got the numbers right but I think I've explained the scenario... would the two-step rule apply here?

UPDATE: May have found the answer... previous attempts to find the answer on the OPM web site were unsuccessful but this time I found a page that (I think) says that in my scenario, they would first convert the person's pay to the same grade/step for the new locality area... then apply the two step rule. So if I'm reading that correctly, in my scenario the person would end up taking a pay cut for their promotion.

Is that correct?

Edited by user Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:04:13 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Added some additional info

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DaVinci95  
#6 Posted : Thursday, September 10, 2020 4:04:03 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: someoldguy Go to Quoted Post
Hijacking (sort of) this thread to ask a different but related question:

Let's say someone takes a promotion to move from a high-cost area with high locality pay (like LA or SF or Houston) to a location on the "Rest of US" pay scale. Would the two-step rule still apply?

So for example, somebody is a GS-12 step 3 in Los Angeles. That's a base pay of $93454 and if they got a promotion in LA, that would be 12/5 or $99268... which is still lower than 13/1 in LA.

But if they go to a "Rest of US" area, the two-step rule (if applicable) would take them to GS-13/4 and $100355, the next higher base pay for 13 in the other area.

Hope I got the numbers right but I think I've explained the scenario... would the two-step rule apply here?


You have to convert the current step to the new locality before applying the 2 steps. So a GS12 step 3 would be promoted to GS-13 step 1 regardless of the locality difference.
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#7 Posted : Friday, September 11, 2020 6:13:13 AM(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: someoldguy Go to Quoted Post
Hijacking (sort of) this thread to ask a different but related question:

Let's say someone takes a promotion to move from a high-cost area with high locality pay (like LA or SF or Houston) to a location on the "Rest of US" pay scale. Would the two-step rule still apply?

So for example, somebody is a GS-12 step 3 in Los Angeles. That's a base pay of $93454 and if they got a promotion in LA, that would be 12/5 or $99268... which is still lower than 13/1 in LA.

But if they go to a "Rest of US" area, the two-step rule (if applicable) would take them to GS-13/4 and $100355, the next higher base pay for 13 in the other area.

Hope I got the numbers right but I think I've explained the scenario... would the two-step rule apply here?

UPDATE: May have found the answer... previous attempts to find the answer on the OPM web site were unsuccessful but this time I found a page that (I think) says that in my scenario, they would first convert the person's pay to the same grade/step for the new locality area... then apply the two step rule. So if I'm reading that correctly, in my scenario the person would end up taking a pay cut for their promotion.

Is that correct?


Correct - the 2 step rules ALWAYS apply but to the base pay only; locality is not factored in in any way. You can get promoted and still get a reduction in pay.

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