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lebron19  
#1 Posted : Saturday, May 23, 2020 7:04:19 AM(UTC)
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Good morning everyone,

So today we had a service talk. Management said that we have a new post master general, who is a known Trump supporter. She said that there’s a rumor, that he is going to probably do a early buy-out for the senior regulars and lay-off anyone with less than 3years.

Have anyone heard anything like this? And how likely is this to happen?

Im worried, because I’m just about to hit 2years in August and I worked really hard these last 2yrs.

Thanks for your time and hope you are able to answer this.

* I’m a CCA by the way.
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#2 Posted : Saturday, May 23, 2020 8:00:44 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: lebron19 Go to Quoted Post
Good morning everyone,

So today we had a service talk. Management said that we have a new post master general, who is a known Trump supporter. She said that there’s a rumor, that he is going to probably do a early buy-out for the senior regulars and lay-off anyone with less than 3years.

Have anyone heard anything like this? And how likely is this to happen?

Im worried, because I’m just about to hit 2years in August and I worked really hard these last 2yrs.

Thanks for your time and hope you are able to answer this.

* I’m a CCA by the way.


did you not read this thread?
https://forum.federalsou...s&t=87103#post966621
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#3 Posted : Saturday, May 23, 2020 8:10:56 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: lebron19 Go to Quoted Post
Good morning everyone,

So today we had a service talk. Management said that we have a new post master general, who is a known Trump supporter. She said that there’s a rumor, that he is going to probably do a early buy-out for the senior regulars and lay-off anyone with less than 3years.

Have anyone heard anything like this? And how likely is this to happen?

Im worried, because I’m just about to hit 2years in August and I worked really hard these last 2yrs.

Thanks for your time and hope you are able to answer this.

* I’m a CCA by the way.


Part one, the buyout, seems plausible. Part two, the layoffs, makes little sense. Why send the lower paid, harder working employees packing?
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#4 Posted : Saturday, May 23, 2020 8:28:04 AM(UTC)
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Buyouts: possible.

Cuts:. Depends on the crafts.

If your senior carriers where to leave, do you think the mail can be delivered without replacing them? Without the remaining carriers breaking every safety rule in the POST OFFICE'S manual?

Answer: No. Learn how the PO's manual says to deliver the mail and do it that way every day.

ETA:. Your milage may very with the other crafts

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lebron19  
#5 Posted : Saturday, May 23, 2020 8:36:18 AM(UTC)
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Im reading your answers, thanks everyone
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#6 Posted : Saturday, May 23, 2020 11:19:57 AM(UTC)

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Seems pretty unprofessional for a supervisor to spread rumors......I would report this...seems like she is trying to spread fear....we have enough to worry about these days....my 2 cents....doubt there would be layoffs...they would offer buyouts.....even if we go 5 day ...
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#7 Posted : Saturday, May 23, 2020 11:23:11 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Wicked cool guy Go to Quoted Post


Part one, the buyout, seems plausible. Part two, the layoffs, makes little sense. Why send the lower paid, harder working employees packing?


Lower paid, yes. Harder working? questionable and truly depends on the individual. But one thing that is certain, most of our mistakes and accidents are caused by employees with 5 years or less time in service.

Early outs would not surprise me. Layoffs are currently restricted by each contract. But PSE, MHA and CCA categories could be laid off. I also doubt carriers will be offered much to get out or even offered an early out. To be honest, anybody currently retirement eligible should only be shown where the door is as far as incentives go. The idea behind incentives is to get rid of those not currently eligible, but still at the higher end of the pay scale.

The keyword in the OP is that the supervisor said "RUMOR." Don't believe anything until it's presented and it'll still be with lots of warning.
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#8 Posted : Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:01:47 PM(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: lebron19 Go to Quoted Post
we have a new post master general...She said that there’s a rumor

New PMG not expected to start until June 15, 2020.

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lay-off anyone with less than 3years.

Virtually every career APWU represented member is currently protected by a no-layoff clause.

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#9 Posted : Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:17:53 PM(UTC)
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lay-off anyone with less than 3years.

Virtually every career APWU represented member is currently protected by a no-layoff clause.



Not true! Article 6 does not state that
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#10 Posted : Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:28:26 PM(UTC)
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But one thing that is certain, most of our mistakes and accidents are caused by employees with 5 years or less time in service.


True! When I was a CCA they used to call the CCA group to the office, at the beginning of every quarter for a CARE review. Now, I'm not trying to justify the CCAs but most of them (except me) have been involved in an accident or they were spotted by a supervisor with the truck running; why? because of the tremendous pressure that they put them and none of the regulars truly cared to help out. I was the only one who always took my lunch, comfort stops, attended the union meetings, read the contract, etc. Again, no justification for them; but how can you not make mistakes when there's not real training and professionalism from management? Basically, they just throw you there and expect to perform like most of the regulars

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#11 Posted : Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:38:07 PM(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: EagleDog Go to Quoted Post

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lay-off anyone with less than 3years.

Virtually every career APWU represented member is currently protected by a no-layoff clause.

Not true! Article 6 does not state that


"no lay-off protection is extended for the life of the Agreement to all career employees on the rolls as of the date of this Award who have not yet qualified for protection under the six-year rule"

https://www.apwu.org/news/new-union-contract
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#12 Posted : Saturday, May 23, 2020 2:49:40 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Saynotomanagement Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: EagleDog Go to Quoted Post


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lay-off anyone with less than 3years.

Virtually every career APWU represented member is currently protected by a no-layoff clause.



Not true! Article 6 does not state that


you really have to pay better attention.

apwu and sometimes nalc get the addition almost every contract.

Edited by user Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:16:24 PM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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#13 Posted : Saturday, May 23, 2020 3:42:10 PM(UTC)
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Wait....are you saying the no layoff for employees of 6 yr min is extended, or are you saying all apwu cannot be laid off? That's a big difference.
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#14 Posted : Saturday, May 23, 2020 3:52:09 PM(UTC)
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Wait....are you saying the no layoff for employees of 6 yr min is extended, or are you saying all apwu cannot be laid off? That's a big difference.


Go read the contract. JCIM might have a clarification. Most ppl on this forum need to download their contract and whichever contract interpretation manual is pertinent to their craft.. Then research their question prior to simply posting without any self research.
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#15 Posted : Saturday, May 23, 2020 4:43:40 PM(UTC)

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Wait....are you saying the no layoff for employees of 6 yr min is extended, or are you saying all apwu cannot be laid off? That's a big difference.

If you were career APWU on 3/10/20, you cannot be laid off.
If you made career APWU after that date, you can be laid off.
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#16 Posted : Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:04:58 PM(UTC)
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Wait....are you saying the no layoff for employees of 6 yr min is extended, or are you saying all apwu cannot be laid off? That's a big difference.


Go read the contract. JCIM might have a clarification. Most ppl on this forum need to download their contract and whichever contract interpretation manual is pertinent to their craft.. Then research their question prior to simply posting without any self research.


But then there would be no posts.

No posts, no mocking for not doing some basic research.
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#17 Posted : Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:27:27 PM(UTC)
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Your supervisor is an idiot. However, people do need to be aware that we are potentially entering uncharted territory. If we were to actually "run out of money" there would be very difficult decisions to be made. Given that payroll is the largest portion of our expenses you would definitely see non-career layoffs to start. Then, career lay-offs as allowed by contract. If things were to get as bad as some have argued management would have no choice but to start 'force majeure'. We can only hope that if things were to get that bad that Congress would finally get their act together and do something/anything to help us.
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#18 Posted : Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:57:36 PM(UTC)
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They could lay off 50% of management and not sure anyone would notice.
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#19 Posted : Saturday, May 23, 2020 6:20:37 PM(UTC)
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Your supervisor is an idiot. However, people do need to be aware that we are potentially entering uncharted territory. If we were to actually "run out of money" there would be very difficult decisions to be made. Given that payroll is the largest portion of our expenses you would definitely see non-career layoffs to start. Then, career lay-offs as allowed by contract. If things were to get as bad as some have argued management would have no choice but to start 'force majeure'. We can only hope that if things were to get that bad that Congress would finally get their act together and do something/anything to help us.


How would the mail get delivered with all these layoffs?

most offices are short-handed as is
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#20 Posted : Saturday, May 23, 2020 6:55:11 PM(UTC)
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Wait....are you saying the no layoff for employees of 6 yr min is extended, or are you saying all apwu cannot be laid off? That's a big difference.


Go read the contract. JCIM might have a clarification. Most ppl on this forum need to download their contract and whichever contract interpretation manual is pertinent to their craft.. Then research their question prior to simply posting without any self research.


But then there would be no posts.

No posts, no mocking for not doing some basic research.


I disagree, of course :)

Fact is that the contract is not as B&W as we'd like it to be. Why else do we have a JCAM, JCIM, & CIM? We have tons of MOU, LMOU, grievance and arbitration decisions. But if people knew more about the contract, LMOU and other basics, some of the discussions on here, would be more pertinent and less divisive.

But even without the contract issues, there'd be plenty to fight over and whine about.
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