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oldboy  
#1 Posted : Thursday, June 18, 2020 8:55:31 AM(UTC)
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Watch "The new LLV replacement is a Mercedes! My first impression of the new delivery vehicle." on YouTube
https://youtu.be/EctT0XAXkP4
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#2 Posted : Thursday, June 18, 2020 9:15:12 AM(UTC)
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I did not watch the video. But the mirror is in a standard location. Many mailboxes will be taken out if used for curbside delivery.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, June 18, 2020 9:33:25 AM(UTC)
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I still can't understand why they have spent years finding and developing a replacement. It's seems obvious that working with one of thw existing manufacturers to do a simple retrofit to existing Transit, ProMaster or Mercedes van would have been far more efficient.

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#4 Posted : Thursday, June 18, 2020 10:10:00 AM(UTC)
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Canada followed the US and purchased the LLV. They started to replaced them in 2010with the Transit.
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#5 Posted : Thursday, June 18, 2020 10:53:21 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Wicked cool guy Go to Quoted Post
I still can't understand why they have spent years finding and developing a replacement. It's seems obvious that working with one of thw existing manufacturers to do a simple retrofit to existing Transit, ProMaster or Mercedes van would have been far more efficient.


It may seem obvious, but there may be factors that make those other options undesirable. who knows... it's not like we can trust them to give us an honest answer...
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#6 Posted : Thursday, June 18, 2020 10:54:35 AM(UTC)
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On mounted routes, a van is never a good idea; you can easily knock down mailboxes

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#7 Posted : Thursday, June 18, 2020 11:02:24 AM(UTC)

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Looks like it would be awkward delivering mail through the window.
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#8 Posted : Thursday, June 18, 2020 5:20:45 PM(UTC)
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FYI, it's NOT intended to replace the LLV/FFV.

It IS intended to replace the Promasters.

These are going to P&L and business routes, and those LLV and FFV will go to mounted routes where needed.
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#9 Posted : Thursday, June 18, 2020 6:29:00 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RodOrRob Go to Quoted Post
FYI, it's NOT intended to replace the LLV/FFV.

It IS intended to replace the Promasters.

These are going to P&L and business routes, and those LLV and FFV will go to mounted routes where needed.


Correct, see topic description.

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#10 Posted : Thursday, June 18, 2020 6:41:38 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RodOrRob Go to Quoted Post
FYI, it's NOT intended to replace the LLV/FFV.

It IS intended to replace the Promasters.

These are going to P&L and business routes, and those LLV and FFV will go to mounted routes where needed.


Are you sure? That doesn't make any sense. Why would be RHD for P&L/business? It looks inferior to the promaster in most ways, and probably way more expensive too.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, June 18, 2020 7:38:05 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Seadogg Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RodOrRob Go to Quoted Post
FYI, it's NOT intended to replace the LLV/FFV.

It IS intended to replace the Promasters.

These are going to P&L and business routes, and those LLV and FFV will go to mounted routes where needed.


Are you sure? That doesn't make any sense. Why would be RHD for P&L/business? It looks inferior to the promaster in most ways, and probably way more expensive too.


I assume because the Promasters have proven to be garbage...and we need something for P&L.

It was mentioned they could be used on business routes in a pinch.

But definitely will not be for mounted delivery.
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#12 Posted : Saturday, June 20, 2020 11:00:37 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RodOrRob Go to Quoted Post
FYI, it's NOT intended to replace the LLV/FFV.

It IS intended to replace the Promasters.

These are going to P&L and business routes, and those LLV and FFV will go to mounted routes where needed.


This above information is 100% incorrect. Here is the info that comes straight from DC:

The postal service is purchasing just over 30,000 of these vehicles over the next 3 years.

Some of the vehicles will be assigned to specific city routes, but only if they have 20 or less mounted deliveries.

Many of these vehicles will be assigned to current rural routes that use LLV.

Some of these will be assigned to rural routes that currently use POV.

I have yet to hear of a Metris that will replace a Promaster.

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#13 Posted : Saturday, June 20, 2020 11:40:23 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: pw75 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RodOrRob Go to Quoted Post
FYI, it's NOT intended to replace the LLV/FFV.

It IS intended to replace the Promasters.

These are going to P&L and business routes, and those LLV and FFV will go to mounted routes where needed.


This above information is 100% incorrect. Here is the info that comes straight from DC:

The postal service is purchasing just over 30,000 of these vehicles over the next 3 years.

Some of the vehicles will be assigned to specific city routes, but only if they have 20 or less mounted deliveries.

Many of these vehicles will be assigned to current rural routes that use LLV.

Some of these will be assigned to rural routes that currently use POV.

I have yet to hear of a Metris that will replace a Promaster.



Then we have conflicting info, as I was told this by our local, and the VOMA in a neighboring town.

assigned to specific city routes, but only if they have 20 or less mounted deliveriesp... could be the reason "not for mounted" was mentioned.

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#14 Posted : Saturday, June 20, 2020 2:01:01 PM(UTC)
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I'll ask again: if something is not for mounted, why is it RHD?
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#15 Posted : Saturday, June 20, 2020 2:27:16 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Seadogg Go to Quoted Post
I'll ask again: if something is not for mounted, why is it RHD?


might have been cheaper to get the entire order RHD instead of mixed.
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#16 Posted : Saturday, June 20, 2020 3:14:17 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Seadogg Go to Quoted Post
I'll ask again: if something is not for mounted, why is it RHD?


C'mon, you know the answer...when you exit a vehicle using a left hand door, you are exiting into traffic.
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#17 Posted : Saturday, June 20, 2020 4:24:12 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RodOrRob Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Seadogg Go to Quoted Post
I'll ask again: if something is not for mounted, why is it RHD?


C'mon, you know the answer...when you exit a vehicle using a left hand door, you are exiting into traffic.


That's true, but using that logic, ALL vehicles for the entire public should be RHD.

Actually, that makes a lot of sense...
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#18 Posted : Sunday, June 21, 2020 9:02:00 AM(UTC)
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Meanwhile, the new replacement vehicles seem to be getting pushed back later and later.

Also, do these new models they are showing seem to be big enough? We are getting larger and larger parcels every month now, huge oversized monsters. I thinking the new ones are already going to be obsolete based on the volume and the size of parcels we are getting now.
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#19 Posted : Monday, June 22, 2020 10:24:54 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: RodOrRob Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: pw75 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: RodOrRob Go to Quoted Post
FYI, it's NOT intended to replace the LLV/FFV.

It IS intended to replace the Promasters.

These are going to P&L and business routes, and those LLV and FFV will go to mounted routes where needed.


This above information is 100% incorrect. Here is the info that comes straight from DC:

The postal service is purchasing just over 30,000 of these vehicles over the next 3 years.

Some of the vehicles will be assigned to specific city routes, but only if they have 20 or less mounted deliveries.

Many of these vehicles will be assigned to current rural routes that use LLV.

Some of these will be assigned to rural routes that currently use POV.

I have yet to hear of a Metris that will replace a Promaster.



Then we have conflicting info, as I was told this by our local, and the VOMA in a neighboring town.

assigned to specific city routes, but only if they have 20 or less mounted deliveriesp... could be the reason "not for mounted" was mentioned.




I don't assume to know anything that WILL happen. I just am relaying what the info says is SUPPOSED to happen. The document I refer to is the Metris Deployment Document that was sent out by headquarters about a month ago. The VOMA or VMF isn't really involved in anything with these vehicles other than swapping the Metris for LLV when they come in and get assigned to office and route.

There was a spreadsheet sent by HQ that breaks down our entire district, which offices get them, and even which route they are assigned to.

The thing I thought was the most strange was the city route - under 20 mounted deliveries portion. Why do that on city routes if you are also planning on assigning these to rural routes that are 100% mounted?

We are already training carriers on these. It is just 45 minute vehicle familiarization if the carrier is RHD qualified. So if they assign one of these to a RR that uses personal vehicle, that carrier will have to take DDC class, and RHD (LLV) Certification before they can drive one of these.

It's all strange.
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#20 Posted : Monday, June 22, 2020 10:38:00 AM(UTC)
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Here's a few other tidbits for those who haven't seen one yet.

Vehicle is supposed to take premium gas, but Postal Service got Mercedes to allow 87 octane and not void warranty.

Vehicle has auto shut off at stops like a lot of newer vehicles.

Vehicle has electronic shifter that looks like a turn signal, is located on the right of steering wheel opposite of the turn signal. down for drive, up for reverse. There is a button on the edge of this that you push in to put the vehicle into park.

Cargo area is 50% larger than the LLV.... at first look, you'd call me a liar. But it is a much longer area than LLV after you take a 2nd glance.

There is a cage between front and cargo area. You won't be able to grab anything from back of Metris unless you park and go through either sliding door or rear doors.

Blind spot assist in mirror.

The gas door is very strange. You have to open the front left side door, as it locks the gas door in place. Open gas door, close front left door, fill up with gas. Reverse process. Open left side front door, close gas door, close left side door. That is a pain.

Seat tilts, lowers and raises, and has lumbar. A tray smaller than LLV tray sits on left side. probably can hold 1 tray flats, 1 DPS. No parcels will fit up front if you have other mail up there with you. No room.

Backup camera is located on rear left door. Has vehicle tracking to show you where you are going while in reverse.

Vehicle has 1 fog lamp. It is on the bottom left rear.

Foot parking brake and hand release like a lot of larger trucks have.

The left side sliding door has a window in it. It does help to see into that blind spot, and it helps when making an offset right turn to see approaching traffic (if vehicle isn't loaded with parcels.)

Ignition is different. If you were looking at the steering wheel, the ignition is on the left side, it is cross between a key and key fob that sticks maybe a half inch into the dash area.

Any questions about the vehicle itself, let me know.
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