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Oldmule  
#1 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2021 1:13:34 PM(UTC)
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Looks as if the $15 dollar minimum wage will be law down the road. Those 1percent wage increases
In the new contract look awful now. What a kick in the teeth that after 29 years we will only make
double the minimum wage. Falling behind with every year.
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#2 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2021 1:29:20 PM(UTC)
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thats not a federal thing, but it is set in some states/cities...only going to make getting decent people even harder. being the fry guy at mcdonalds isnt nearly as stressful as being a CCA with management breathing down your neck and tracking your every move...especially in expensive or fast growing cities...plus in my time at mcdonalds not once was i called in to work my off day or told i was staying late because of any reason...if you closed, you closed, doors locked at 10 or 11 depending on night of the week, and it was up to you to get out at a reasonable time...
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Originally Posted by: z165012 Go to Quoted Post
only going to make getting decent people even harder. being the fry guy at mcdonalds isnt nearly as stressful as being a CCA

The payoff for a CCA (high school education, no previous training or experience required) is a career position.

Ultimately leading to:

5+ weeks of paid vacation each year
10 paid holidays each year
13 paid sick days each year
$32+/hr
Two COLA's each year
Federal pension/Health benefits
Matching TSP (i.e. 401k) contributions
No layoff protection
etc., etc.

Benefits not achieved by many "fry guys at mcdonalds".

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#4 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2021 3:31:43 PM(UTC)

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I thought I heard wal mart was rasing there full time employee's to 19 dollars an hour?
And all the cca's ran there route's today and when home between 1 and 2pm cause the mail was light.
Why are we trying to help them if they just keep killing the job.
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#5 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2021 5:26:48 PM(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: EagleDog Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: z165012 Go to Quoted Post
only going to make getting decent people even harder. being the fry guy at mcdonalds isnt nearly as stressful as being a CCA

The payoff for a CCA is a career position.

Ultimately leading to:

5+ weeks of paid vacation each year
10 paid holidays each year
13 paid sick days each year
$32+/hr
Two COLA's each year
Federal pension/Health benefits
Matching TSP (i.e. 401k) contributions
etc., etc.

Benefits not achieved by many "fry guys at mcdonalds".


Asking someone to give up 2 years for the possible payoff in a career in a dying industry is asking a lot. Thus the revolving door of CCAs and PSEs While the service tries to hold the line pending coming technology which makes us even more obsolete.
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z165012  
#6 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2021 5:51:15 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: EagleDog Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: z165012 Go to Quoted Post
only going to make getting decent people even harder. being the fry guy at mcdonalds isnt nearly as stressful as being a CCA

The payoff for a CCA is a career position.

Ultimately leading to:

5+ weeks of paid vacation each year
10 paid holidays each year
13 paid sick days each year
$32+/hr
Two COLA's each year
Federal pension/Health benefits
Matching TSP (i.e. 401k) contributions
etc., etc.

Benefits not achieved by many "fry guys at mcdonalds".



mcdonalds around here have 401k's for the fry guy, sure, being 'just' the fry guy isnt going to get you vacation and benefits like medical and dental in MOST locations, but again, we are talking a low stress job with set hours vs a high stress job with random hours...

if you work 30 years at mcdonalds, you likely arent the fry guy the whole thing, you are going to move up to management...management at In and Out make over $100k a year...

places like UPS and Starbucks offer tuition assistance for part time folks...

i know some 'career' folks at fast food places, as i worked in multiple locations as a student, and not a single person had a hip or knee replacement...so the toll on the body isnt near as bad in fast food...dangle the carrot in front of the horse...thats what a CCA is, and look at the turnover...
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Plus beaucoup overtime.

Plus...has anyone here known anybody to ever get laid off for lack of work at the PO?

Steady job.

Are there better jobs out there that the average postal worker can can do? I guess so.

There's one carrier in my office who I call "easy money".

He always lets out a great big laugh and says "damn straight".


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#8 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2021 9:46:36 PM(UTC)

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Plus beaucoup overtime.

Plus...has anyone here known anybody to ever get laid off for lack of work at the PO?

Steady job.

Are there better jobs out there that the average postal worker can can do? I guess so.

There's one carrier in my office who I call "easy money".

He always lets out a great big laugh and says "damn straight".



The only reason for no layoffs has been enough retiring and the abolishment of jobs have so far been enough.

When carriers say "easy money" it is a joke as the physical toll has gotten progressively harder due to increasing street time, as opposed to casing routes. And increasingly hard individual pieces due to things like flat weight boxes
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#9 Posted : Friday, February 19, 2021 9:57:11 PM(UTC)
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Plus beaucoup overtime.

Plus...has anyone here known anybody to ever get laid off for lack of work at the PO?

Steady job.

Are there better jobs out there that the average postal worker can can do? I guess so.

There's one carrier in my office who I call "easy money".

He always lets out a great big laugh and says "damn straight".



The only reason for no layoffs has been enough retiring and the abolishment of jobs have so far been enough.

When carriers say "easy money" it is a joke as the physical toll has gotten progressively harder due to increasing street time, as opposed to casing routes. And increasingly hard individual pieces due to things like flat weight boxes


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#10 Posted : Saturday, February 20, 2021 3:49:32 AM(UTC)
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I was told I would take a pay cut and to do the same work for $15.00 as a temp carrier.maybe around 2012?
We had NO healthcare, was a government employee using Affordable healthcare act
We had NO option to use Unions 401K that could be later be rolled into TSP
We had NO paid holidays
We had NO guarentee of conversion within 24 months.... you spent 5-9 years around here
I am sorry if this hurts peoples feelings but now they offer the CCA's all these things and the group of individuals as a whole are just not cutting it.... I feel like this past contract we should have realized it wasn't worth the associated costs and cut their benefits.
YOU CANT MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO WORK, doesn't matter if you pay them $15 or $30 and hour.
Lets go back to having them take the actual civil service test and maybe pay $18 an hour.
I paid my dues for years with a pay cut bc I knew I had no degree, no certifications, just hard work and years of a temp is what finally got me a career position. Nowdays everyone just expects we should throw a $30/ hr job at them. Earn it.


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Oldmule  
#11 Posted : Saturday, February 20, 2021 4:13:04 AM(UTC)
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It isn’t a state or local matter anymore. The $15 minimum wage is in the new stimulus bill.
When I started in 1994, carriers made approximately 3 times the minimum wage. We will
soon be done to 2 times. We had a better benefit package that cost less. Wake up ! You
are losing ground.
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#12 Posted : Saturday, February 20, 2021 6:48:03 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Kickjump Go to Quoted Post
I was told I would take a pay cut and to do the same work for $15.00 as a temp carrier.maybe around 2012?
We had NO healthcare, was a government employee using Affordable healthcare act
We had NO option to use Unions 401K that could be later be rolled into TSP
We had NO paid holidays
We had NO guarentee of conversion within 24 months.... you spent 5-9 years around here
I am sorry if this hurts peoples feelings but now they offer the CCA's all these things and the group of individuals as a whole are just not cutting it.... I feel like this past contract we should have realized it wasn't worth the associated costs and cut their benefits.
YOU CANT MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO WORK, doesn't matter if you pay them $15 or $30 and hour.
Lets go back to having them take the actual civil service test and maybe pay $18 an hour.
I paid my dues for years with a pay cut bc I knew I had no degree, no certifications, just hard work and years of a temp is what finally got me a career position. Nowdays everyone just expects we should throw a $30/ hr job at them. Earn it.




I agree with your premise, however,as time progresses, things should get better for individuals, not worse. Yes, things sucked for you but it shouldn’t suck for new hires because of it. Also, your expectation of what a good days work is will differ from others. If the postal service allows people to get away with murder, then they have to for everyone. There are always those that are geared to work harder and those who are good for nothing’s. Best advice I’ve learned over the years is learn how to play the game. If the postal service requires me to do X amount of work, then that’s what I’ll do. Nothing more, nothing less.
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#13 Posted : Saturday, February 20, 2021 7:31:14 AM(UTC)
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We had NO option to use Unions 401K that could be later be rolled into TSP




This was/is a very poor option.

As a casual/TE, you would have been better served to put money into an IRA at Vanguard or Fedility. Investing in the S&P500, the equivalent of the TSP C fund. You could have saved $5k-6k a year. I don't recall the limit during that time. It is currently $6k, unless you are over 50, then you can save $7k

The NALC option is barely better than a savings account.

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#14 Posted : Saturday, February 20, 2021 8:49:31 AM(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: Oldmule Go to Quoted Post
When I started in 1994, carriers made approximately 3 times the minimum wage.

And now you make more than 4 times the minimum wage.
The federal minimum wage has been $7.25 since 2009.

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We had NO healthcare...We had NO paid holidays...We had NO guarentee of conversion within 24 months.... you spent 5-9 years around here

I started at the post office at $6.50/hour with ZERO benefits and no chance of career status.
CCA's now receive benefits such as annual leave, paid holidays, step increases, uniform allowance, health insurance, NALC sponsored retirement savings plan, etc.

Non-career employees have been around for a long, long time.
A lot has changed since I was hired. Wages are a LOT better, benefits are a LOT better and a career path now exists.
The quality of applicants today are not a lot better. Exactly the opposite.
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#16 Posted : Sunday, February 21, 2021 4:26:38 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: EagleDog Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: z165012 Go to Quoted Post
only going to make getting decent people even harder. being the fry guy at mcdonalds isnt nearly as stressful as being a CCA

The payoff for a CCA (high school education, no previous training or experience required) is a career position.

Ultimately leading to:

5+ weeks of paid vacation each year
10 paid holidays each year
13 paid sick days each year
$32+/hr
Two COLA's each year
Federal pension/Health benefits
Matching TSP (i.e. 401k) contributions
No layoff protection
etc., etc.

Benefits not achieved by many "fry guys at mcdonalds".



But, there are better options out there.

Lot of vets don't want to waste 2 years non pension time as a cca now a days.

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Originally Posted by: Kickjump Go to Quoted Post
I was told I would take a pay cut and to do the same work for $15.00 as a temp carrier.maybe around 2012?
We had NO healthcare, was a government employee using Affordable healthcare act
We had NO option to use Unions 401K that could be later be rolled into TSP
We had NO paid holidays
We had NO guarentee of conversion within 24 months.... you spent 5-9 years around here
I am sorry if this hurts peoples feelings but now they offer the CCA's all these things and the group of individuals as a whole are just not cutting it.... I feel like this past contract we should have realized it wasn't worth the associated costs and cut their benefits.
YOU CANT MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO WORK, doesn't matter if you pay them $15 or $30 and hour.
Lets go back to having them take the actual civil service test and maybe pay $18 an hour.
I paid my dues for years with a pay cut bc I knew I had no degree, no certifications, just hard work and years of a temp is what finally got me a career position. Nowdays everyone just expects we should throw a $30/ hr job at them. Earn it.




I was agreeing until the $30 per hour line.

How about this, eliminate table 2 which you are on and only hire as ptf?

Boom!
Retention problems resolved.

Blame management not the non career.

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#18 Posted : Sunday, February 21, 2021 5:42:21 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: EagleDog Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: z165012 Go to Quoted Post
only going to make getting decent people even harder. being the fry guy at mcdonalds isnt nearly as stressful as being a CCA

The payoff for a CCA (high school education, no previous training or experience required) is a career position.

Ultimately leading to:

5+ weeks of paid vacation each year
10 paid holidays each year
13 paid sick days each year
$32+/hr
Two COLA's each year
Federal pension/Health benefits
Matching TSP (i.e. 401k) contributions
No layoff protection
etc., etc.

Benefits not achieved by many "fry guys at mcdonalds".


Health benefits that will carry on into retirement!
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#19 Posted : Sunday, February 21, 2021 7:01:41 AM(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: Kickjump Go to Quoted Post
I was told I would take a pay cut and to do the same work for $15.00 as a temp carrier.maybe around 2012?
We had NO healthcare, was a government employee using Affordable healthcare act
We had NO option to use Unions 401K that could be later be rolled into TSP
We had NO paid holidays
We had NO guarentee of conversion within 24 months.... you spent 5-9 years around here
I am sorry if this hurts peoples feelings but now they offer the CCA's all these things and the group of individuals as a whole are just not cutting it.... I feel like this past contract we should have realized it wasn't worth the associated costs and cut their benefits.
YOU CANT MAKE PEOPLE WANT TO WORK, doesn't matter if you pay them $15 or $30 and hour.
Lets go back to having them take the actual civil service test and maybe pay $18 an hour.
I paid my dues for years with a pay cut bc I knew I had no degree, no certifications, just hard work and years of a temp is what finally got me a career position. Nowdays everyone just expects we should throw a $30/ hr job at them. Earn it.




I was agreeing until the $30 per hour line.

How about this, eliminate table 2 which you are on and only hire as ptf?

Boom!
Retention problems resolved.

Blame management not the non career.


True. The vast majority of postal workers were never casuals, TEs, CCAs or PSEs. Those that worked as casuals or TEs before the arbitrator forcing in CCAs knew that they were there just temporarily and when the job ended it would not lead to a career. At best they got a heads up when or if applications to take the test were handed out, first come first serve in those pre internet days

So everybody came in as a career employee with the full benefit package and comparable pay to a low time in service regular scheduled worker. And the big difference was just no regular schedule and forced overtime along with weeks were they might not make 40 hours
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GM pays their part-time temporary employees $16.67/hour.
They work a maximum of 32 hours/week.
There is no guarantee that the jobs will ever become permanent or full time.
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