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WVcyberspecialist21  
#1 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 10:35:31 AM(UTC)
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Alright, so I want to be forthright from the beginning. I work currently in the federal government and I currently hold a Tier 2 Moderate Risk Public Trust clearance. I applied for a position with another federal agency, but I am required to have a Tier 3 Secret Clearance, Also Moderate Risk. I might have got that slightly wrong, so I apologize. I am wanting to be forth right about my past and all since I was for this position I currently hold, which is an IT Specialist position and the job I applied for and received an offer is a Cybersecurity Specialist.

I know the employment history asks for 10 years worth of employment history, but in bold it asks have you been fired from any job in the past 7 years? I was fired from my job over 7 years ago, so it's outside of the 7 year mark, but I don't want to seem like I am hiding anything. I was fired because I had took money for products on the shelf and at one point since our power was out and forgot to enter in the money when the power came back on because I was swamped. Needless to say I forgot for a few days and no one ever said anything to me, so out of outstandingly stupid judgement, I kept it. I continued to perform transactions like this periodically for a couple months before I finally was done being stupid and the next day I went in to resign from my position and pay for everything I took, but someone from HR was there at the store waiting on me to fire me and figure out what was going on. After explaining everything to the HR rep they decided to not press any charges and allow me to pay back the balance of items that I kept the money for, so in the end I never was convicted and no charges were ever pressed.

It has been over 7 years now since this happened and I have worked in law enforcement, been married, obtained 3 degrees as of December of this year, two bachelor's degrees and a masters degree. I have greatly matured as a person and this incident has haunted me ever since it happened, I am not sure what my former self was thinking and I wish I could go back to slap the living heck out of him. My current job I had to work as an unpaid intern for 8 months before I was hired, again this is a federal position and I have a Tier 2 moderate risk public trust clearance. I disclosed all of this to my previous investigator, but my primary concern is will all of this mitigation be enough to make a difference for me to be granted a secret clearance, or should I just not go through with it and stay where I am? I had stuff in collections that has been paid off as over 2 years ago as well, so the mitigation is there, I am hoping someone might have some insight as to what I should do or say going forward with a new investigator, also with this being over 7 years ago I figured I would check No on the I have not been fired, but list the details of this screw up from then on my additional comments section at the end of the SF-86. Thank you to anyone who replies and I appreciate all your comments.

Thank you very much.
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#2 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 11:08:50 AM(UTC)
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This is worth repeating because so many people ask about it and they might see this.

The SF86 is a form that requires truthfulness and not a time to game around or go off on real or perceived technicality. (ie charges were dismissed so the arrest was illegal and I'm going to mark down I was never arrested before)

On the same note, it's not a time or place to divulge everything about yourself; save that for your priest....

Answer the question as it is asked. If the question is, in the last 7 years have you ever been fired there's only 2 answers; yes or no. Don't explain anything, don't justify anything unless the form asks you about it. Down the line if an investigation asks you about the firing and why you didn't mention it your answer is because it didn't fall within the timeframe. If they ask in person about it, that's the time to lay out the situation.
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#3 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 11:34:29 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: FatHappyCat Go to Quoted Post
This is worth repeating because so many people ask about it and they might see this.

The SF86 is a form that requires truthfulness and not a time to game around or go off on real or perceived technicality. (ie charges were dismissed so the arrest was illegal and I'm going to mark down I was never arrested before)

On the same note, it's not a time or place to divulge everything about yourself; save that for your priest....

Answer the question as it is asked. If the question is, in the last 7 years have you ever been fired there's only 2 answers; yes or no. Don't explain anything, don't justify anything unless the form asks you about it. Down the line if an investigation asks you about the firing and why you didn't mention it your answer is because it didn't fall within the timeframe. If they ask in person about it, that's the time to lay out the situation.


I appreciate the fast response. My concern is would it more favorable in my situation if I divulged the information even though they didn't ask, shows I am not trying to hide anything right? I mean they will find out when they go to review this position. Thank you.
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#4 Posted : Monday, June 14, 2021 12:21:55 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: WVcyberspecialist21 Go to Quoted Post
I appreciate the fast response. My concern is would it more favorable in my situation if I divulged the information even though they didn't ask, shows I am not trying to hide anything right? I mean they will find out when they go to review this position. Thank you.


The investigator doesn't care one way or another if your situation is more favorable or not. They are there for one reason only; to collect information. They don't decide whether you get a clearance or not, that's what adjudicators are for. Generally, I haven't seen investigators go outside their scope unless you open the door for them to do so.

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#5 Posted : Tuesday, June 15, 2021 12:15:07 PM(UTC)
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I am aware that the investigator is only there to collect data and present it to the adjudicator, but I figured if I was forth right and its listed in the investigators notes then it might look better to the adjudicator that I was upfront and realized my mistakes and have taken steps to mitigate any doubt about my integrity or trustworthiness, I apologize for my previous comment I know the investigator really doesn't care. The person who adjudicated my clearance at my current position said I could list them for the other adjudicator to speak with, but again I am not sure what to do. Are the adjudicators always in house or only for some organizations? I currently work for the Department of Veterans Affairs and this new position is with the DOE.
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