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#81 Posted : Tuesday, October 12, 2021 3:28:33 AM(UTC)
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Off topic, but recently a couple former CI agents told me HQ is taking agents out of OCDETF and grand jury cases and pushing them to work straight tax (mom and pop) cases. And, as a result, agents are retiring early or jumping ship to other 1811 agencies- specifically Postal Inspectors and OIG outfits. Anybody know if this is just certain districts, or nationwide?


I guess that's not as exciting for those looking to work on big cases, but I see it as a positive turn. CI mostly takes extravagant cases, which means that high-income individuals and corporate officers who aren't spending millions on yachts and condos get away with serious crimes and an installment agreement.


Lol, sure. Those high income individuals and corporate officers also have high dollar attorneys and accountants. Good luck with a successful prosecution. Better to turn around a case or two on a small business owner.
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#82 Posted : Tuesday, October 12, 2021 3:32:03 AM(UTC)
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Off topic, but recently a couple former CI agents told me HQ is taking agents out of OCDETF and grand jury cases and pushing them to work straight tax (mom and pop) cases. And, as a result, agents are retiring early or jumping ship to other 1811 agencies- specifically Postal Inspectors and OIG outfits. Anybody know if this is just certain districts, or nationwide?


I think this is a bit of a biased perspective.

We’re the only agency that can work tax, so we should be working tax. “Straight tax” rarely is “mom and pop.” Complex schemes, conspiracies, tax harm in the millions. International angles, cyber angles, cryptocurrency involvement. I would gladly take a simple mom and pop tax scheme some days.

On the one hand, we contribute significantly to HIDTA, OCDETF, and all those other task forces, and we’re often asked for by US Attorneys on any case involving a significant financial angle.

But we don’t work for OCDETF or HIDTA, we work for IRS-CI, and I think some agents have been on those task forces so long that they forget that. It can also be frustrating to work on those task forces. Some other agencies have hard times with basic things like venue for a case. Or half your teams on a multi site warrant will get the start time wrong.

Working a criminal case is hard, and I’d say any kind of tax or financial case is even more so.

Agents move all the time, retire all the time. Higher speed, bigger or smaller agency. Everything I’ve read on postal inspection online seems great, but the two former Postal Inspectors I’ve met came to IRS because they hated postal. Agents from OIGs join us, agents from IRS leave to OIGs.


lol. this is funny. Struggling with venue? Work a three year tax case for probation or work a dope case and get 15 stats and fantastic seizure activity in under a year Wooo good resource usage.

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#83 Posted : Tuesday, October 12, 2021 3:46:34 AM(UTC)
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Off topic, but recently a couple former CI agents told me HQ is taking agents out of OCDETF and grand jury cases and pushing them to work straight tax (mom and pop) cases. And, as a result, agents are retiring early or jumping ship to other 1811 agencies- specifically Postal Inspectors and OIG outfits. Anybody know if this is just certain districts, or nationwide?


I think this is a bit of a biased perspective.

We’re the only agency that can work tax, so we should be working tax. “Straight tax” rarely is “mom and pop.” Complex schemes, conspiracies, tax harm in the millions. International angles, cyber angles, cryptocurrency involvement. I would gladly take a simple mom and pop tax scheme some days.

On the one hand, we contribute significantly to HIDTA, OCDETF, and all those other task forces, and we’re often asked for by US Attorneys on any case involving a significant financial angle.

But we don’t work for OCDETF or HIDTA, we work for IRS-CI, and I think some agents have been on those task forces so long that they forget that. It can also be frustrating to work on those task forces. Some other agencies have hard times with basic things like venue for a case. Or half your teams on a multi site warrant will get the start time wrong.

Working a criminal case is hard, and I’d say any kind of tax or financial case is even more so.

Agents move all the time, retire all the time. Higher speed, bigger or smaller agency. Everything I’ve read on postal inspection online seems great, but the two former Postal Inspectors I’ve met came to IRS because they hated postal. Agents from OIGs join us, agents from IRS leave to OIGs.


lol. this is funny. Struggling with venue? Work a three year tax case for probation or work a dope case and get 15 stats and fantastic seizure activity in under a year Wooo good resource usage.


There’s always DEA if you want to run around playing SWAT and forget what judicial district you’re in.



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#84 Posted : Tuesday, October 12, 2021 3:51:59 AM(UTC)
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Off topic, but recently a couple former CI agents told me HQ is taking agents out of OCDETF and grand jury cases and pushing them to work straight tax (mom and pop) cases. And, as a result, agents are retiring early or jumping ship to other 1811 agencies- specifically Postal Inspectors and OIG outfits. Anybody know if this is just certain districts, or nationwide?


I think this is a bit of a biased perspective.

We’re the only agency that can work tax, so we should be working tax. “Straight tax” rarely is “mom and pop.” Complex schemes, conspiracies, tax harm in the millions. International angles, cyber angles, cryptocurrency involvement. I would gladly take a simple mom and pop tax scheme some days.

On the one hand, we contribute significantly to HIDTA, OCDETF, and all those other task forces, and we’re often asked for by US Attorneys on any case involving a significant financial angle.

But we don’t work for OCDETF or HIDTA, we work for IRS-CI, and I think some agents have been on those task forces so long that they forget that. It can also be frustrating to work on those task forces. Some other agencies have hard times with basic things like venue for a case. Or half your teams on a multi site warrant will get the start time wrong.

Working a criminal case is hard, and I’d say any kind of tax or financial case is even more so.

Agents move all the time, retire all the time. Higher speed, bigger or smaller agency. Everything I’ve read on postal inspection online seems great, but the two former Postal Inspectors I’ve met came to IRS because they hated postal. Agents from OIGs join us, agents from IRS leave to OIGs.


lol. this is funny. Struggling with venue? Work a three year tax case for probation or work a dope case and get 15 stats and fantastic seizure activity in under a year Wooo good resource usage.


There’s always DEA if you want to run around playing SWAT and forget what judicial district you’re in.





Rather sit at my desk and do spreadsheets for probation. Durrr deterrent effect!!!

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In a sense we work for the U.S. Attorney; he is the chief federal law enforcement officer in the district. So you're sitting outside his office with a DEA agent who has a couple kilos of coke, an FBI agent with a bank robbery, and you have what? A small business owner who could have been handled with an audit and a penalty? So we spent three years investigating and put him out of business (with a suspended sentence) and his attorney makes a bundle and his employees lose their jobs. Our U.S. Attorney used those cases as a doorstop and they sat there for months. Granted, there are cases the civil side cannot handle- Moorish sovereigns, protestors, crooked preparers and refund thieves; we should work those. But we have our 1811 to protect, and OPM once told us they would restrict it to only those working illegal income if they were to audit our position. And that was back when we did Secret Service details and armed escorts of other IRS employees. There are many in Congress who would like to disarm us. A former Commissioner was asked why our agents carry guns; he was new and had no answer.
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Having said that, I realize the situation in D.C. as told by a friend there. CI is the only function that still works; RAs and ROs are tied down in red tape and big IRS relies on CI to cover compliance. And Congress wants IRS to be a friendly source of free money for many welfare-type programs. So the special forces troops (CI) are doing guard duty for the Infantry (RA and RO). Example: A business gets behind on employment taxes. Used to be the RO would seize the business, get full pay in less than a month, problem solved. Now the RO can't seize, CI works for a year or more, gets the justice system involved, business possibly closed, owner gets probation and a fine (or order to pay the tax). Better? I doubt it.
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#87 Posted : Tuesday, October 12, 2021 11:23:32 AM(UTC)
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Off topic, but recently a couple former CI agents told me HQ is taking agents out of OCDETF and grand jury cases and pushing them to work straight tax (mom and pop) cases. And, as a result, agents are retiring early or jumping ship to other 1811 agencies- specifically Postal Inspectors and OIG outfits. Anybody know if this is just certain districts, or nationwide?


I guess that's not as exciting for those looking to work on big cases, but I see it as a positive turn. CI mostly takes extravagant cases, which means that high-income individuals and corporate officers who aren't spending millions on yachts and condos get away with serious crimes and an installment agreement.


Lol, sure. Those high income individuals and corporate officers also have high dollar attorneys and accountants. Good luck with a successful prosecution. Better to turn around a case or two on a small business owner.


The IRS has a high conviction rate going after those who can afford high-dollar attorneys and accountants; they have a high conviction rate because they carefully select cases that jurors will feel no sympathy for. Entities that are classified as small businesses aren't always mom and pop shops; they can have hundreds of employees and millions in annual revenue. The cap to be classified as a small business is pretty high. There are corporations classified as small businesses. Sometimes, these small businesses and self-employed individuals owe hundreds of thousands to millions in taxes, but if they do not meet the subjective standards of being extravagant or overly egregious, their cases are rarely picked up by CI and have to be dealt with on the civil side.

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Having said that, I realize the situation in D.C. as told by a friend there. CI is the only function that still works; RAs and ROs are tied down in red tape and big IRS relies on CI to cover compliance. And Congress wants IRS to be a friendly source of free money for many welfare-type programs. So the special forces troops (CI) are doing guard duty for the Infantry (RA and RO). Example: A business gets behind on employment taxes. Used to be the RO would seize the business, get full pay in less than a month, problem solved. Now the RO can't seize, CI works for a year or more, gets the justice system involved, business possibly closed, owner gets probation and a fine (or order to pay the tax). Better? I doubt it.


What usually happens after stealing a lot in trust fund taxes is in installment agreement or being classified as uncollectible.

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#88 Posted : Tuesday, October 12, 2021 11:27:09 AM(UTC)
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Off topic, but recently a couple former CI agents told me HQ is taking agents out of OCDETF and grand jury cases and pushing them to work straight tax (mom and pop) cases. And, as a result, agents are retiring early or jumping ship to other 1811 agencies- specifically Postal Inspectors and OIG outfits. Anybody know if this is just certain districts, or nationwide?


I guess that's not as exciting for those looking to work on big cases, but I see it as a positive turn. CI mostly takes extravagant cases, which means that high-income individuals and corporate officers who aren't spending millions on yachts and condos get away with serious crimes and an installment agreement.


Lol, sure. Those high income individuals and corporate officers also have high dollar attorneys and accountants. Good luck with a successful prosecution. Better to turn around a case or two on a small business owner.


The IRS has a high conviction rate going after those who can afford high-dollar attorneys and accountants; they have a high conviction rate because they carefully select cases that jurors will feel no sympathy for. Entities that are classified as small businesses aren't always mom and pop shops; they can have hundreds of employees and millions in annual revenue. The cap to be classified as a small business is pretty high. There are corporations classified as small businesses. Sometimes, these small businesses and self-employed individuals owe hundreds of thousands to millions in taxes, but if they do not meet the subjective standards of being extravagant or overly egregious, their cases are rarely picked up by CI and have to be dealt with on the civil side.


You couldn’t be more wrong. Where’d you get those talking points?
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#89 Posted : Tuesday, October 12, 2021 11:29:49 AM(UTC)
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Off topic, but recently a couple former CI agents told me HQ is taking agents out of OCDETF and grand jury cases and pushing them to work straight tax (mom and pop) cases. And, as a result, agents are retiring early or jumping ship to other 1811 agencies- specifically Postal Inspectors and OIG outfits. Anybody know if this is just certain districts, or nationwide?


I guess that's not as exciting for those looking to work on big cases, but I see it as a positive turn. CI mostly takes extravagant cases, which means that high-income individuals and corporate officers who aren't spending millions on yachts and condos get away with serious crimes and an installment agreement.


Lol, sure. Those high income individuals and corporate officers also have high dollar attorneys and accountants. Good luck with a successful prosecution. Better to turn around a case or two on a small business owner.


The IRS has a high conviction rate going after those who can afford high-dollar attorneys and accountants; they have a high conviction rate because they carefully select cases that jurors will feel no sympathy for. Entities that are classified as small businesses aren't always mom and pop shops; they can have hundreds of employees and millions in annual revenue. The cap to be classified as a small business is pretty high. There are corporations classified as small businesses. Sometimes, these small businesses and self-employed individuals owe hundreds of thousands to millions in taxes, but if they do not meet the subjective standards of being extravagant or overly egregious, their cases are rarely picked up by CI and have to be dealt with on the civil side.


You couldn’t be more wrong. Where’d you get those talking points?


Personally dealing with fraud advisors saying that CI won't take the case and talking to special agents who confirmed that they're limited in the number of cases they can take, so they take the ones with jury appeal. Maybe your territory is different, but this is how my territory operates.
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#90 Posted : Tuesday, October 12, 2021 11:35:57 AM(UTC)
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Off topic, but recently a couple former CI agents told me HQ is taking agents out of OCDETF and grand jury cases and pushing them to work straight tax (mom and pop) cases. And, as a result, agents are retiring early or jumping ship to other 1811 agencies- specifically Postal Inspectors and OIG outfits. Anybody know if this is just certain districts, or nationwide?


I guess that's not as exciting for those looking to work on big cases, but I see it as a positive turn. CI mostly takes extravagant cases, which means that high-income individuals and corporate officers who aren't spending millions on yachts and condos get away with serious crimes and an installment agreement.


Lol, sure. Those high income individuals and corporate officers also have high dollar attorneys and accountants. Good luck with a successful prosecution. Better to turn around a case or two on a small business owner.


The IRS has a high conviction rate going after those who can afford high-dollar attorneys and accountants; they have a high conviction rate because they carefully select cases that jurors will feel no sympathy for. Entities that are classified as small businesses aren't always mom and pop shops; they can have hundreds of employees and millions in annual revenue. The cap to be classified as a small business is pretty high. There are corporations classified as small businesses. Sometimes, these small businesses and self-employed individuals owe hundreds of thousands to millions in taxes, but if they do not meet the subjective standards of being extravagant or overly egregious, their cases are rarely picked up by CI and have to be dealt with on the civil side.


You couldn’t be more wrong. Where’d you get those talking points?


Personally dealing with fraud advisors saying that CI won't take the case and talking to special agents who confirmed that they're limited in the number of cases they can take, so they take the ones with jury appeal. Maybe your territory is different, but this is how my territory operates.


Oh so you’re civil IRS. Don’t talk for what happens in CI because you don’t know.
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#91 Posted : Tuesday, October 12, 2021 11:38:35 AM(UTC)
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Off topic, but recently a couple former CI agents told me HQ is taking agents out of OCDETF and grand jury cases and pushing them to work straight tax (mom and pop) cases. And, as a result, agents are retiring early or jumping ship to other 1811 agencies- specifically Postal Inspectors and OIG outfits. Anybody know if this is just certain districts, or nationwide?


I guess that's not as exciting for those looking to work on big cases, but I see it as a positive turn. CI mostly takes extravagant cases, which means that high-income individuals and corporate officers who aren't spending millions on yachts and condos get away with serious crimes and an installment agreement.


Lol, sure. Those high income individuals and corporate officers also have high dollar attorneys and accountants. Good luck with a successful prosecution. Better to turn around a case or two on a small business owner.


The IRS has a high conviction rate going after those who can afford high-dollar attorneys and accountants; they have a high conviction rate because they carefully select cases that jurors will feel no sympathy for. Entities that are classified as small businesses aren't always mom and pop shops; they can have hundreds of employees and millions in annual revenue. The cap to be classified as a small business is pretty high. There are corporations classified as small businesses. Sometimes, these small businesses and self-employed individuals owe hundreds of thousands to millions in taxes, but if they do not meet the subjective standards of being extravagant or overly egregious, their cases are rarely picked up by CI and have to be dealt with on the civil side.


You couldn’t be more wrong. Where’d you get those talking points?


Personally dealing with fraud advisors saying that CI won't take the case and talking to special agents who confirmed that they're limited in the number of cases they can take, so they take the ones with jury appeal. Maybe your territory is different, but this is how my territory operates.


Oh so you’re civil IRS. Don’t talk for what happens in CI because you don’t know.


Clearly, you don't know what happens on the civil side and how many "small businesses" get away with stealing millions because CI says they only have the manpower to take extravagant cases in which people are using the money to buy mansions and Ferraris. So, don't speak on what we see on the civil side. You don't know how many egregious cases don't make it to your desk.
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Off topic, but recently a couple former CI agents told me HQ is taking agents out of OCDETF and grand jury cases and pushing them to work straight tax (mom and pop) cases. And, as a result, agents are retiring early or jumping ship to other 1811 agencies- specifically Postal Inspectors and OIG outfits. Anybody know if this is just certain districts, or nationwide?


I guess that's not as exciting for those looking to work on big cases, but I see it as a positive turn. CI mostly takes extravagant cases, which means that high-income individuals and corporate officers who aren't spending millions on yachts and condos get away with serious crimes and an installment agreement.


Lol, sure. Those high income individuals and corporate officers also have high dollar attorneys and accountants. Good luck with a successful prosecution. Better to turn around a case or two on a small business owner.


The IRS has a high conviction rate going after those who can afford high-dollar attorneys and accountants; they have a high conviction rate because they carefully select cases that jurors will feel no sympathy for. Entities that are classified as small businesses aren't always mom and pop shops; they can have hundreds of employees and millions in annual revenue. The cap to be classified as a small business is pretty high. There are corporations classified as small businesses. Sometimes, these small businesses and self-employed individuals owe hundreds of thousands to millions in taxes, but if they do not meet the subjective standards of being extravagant or overly egregious, their cases are rarely picked up by CI and have to be dealt with on the civil side.


You couldn’t be more wrong. Where’d you get those talking points?


Personally dealing with fraud advisors saying that CI won't take the case and talking to special agents who confirmed that they're limited in the number of cases they can take, so they take the ones with jury appeal. Maybe your territory is different, but this is how my territory operates.


Oh so you’re civil IRS. Don’t talk for what happens in CI because you don’t know.


Clearly, you don't know what happens on the civil side and how many "small businesses" get away with stealing millions because CI says they only have the manpower to take extravagant cases in which people are using the money to buy mansions and Ferraris. So, don't speak on what we see on the civil side. You don't know how many egregious cases don't make it to your desk.


Ah, a know it all civil IRS trying to get into CI. You'll fit in great, there's a lot of that that goes on when they first show up! FYI - they're reinstating fitness requirements so no more 24 minute 1.5 mile candidates make it through. Also, they like to kick the know it all's out pretty fast. Rumor has it they call their previous POD and inform them to make sure they have a job after they get booted.

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Off topic, but recently a couple former CI agents told me HQ is taking agents out of OCDETF and grand jury cases and pushing them to work straight tax (mom and pop) cases. And, as a result, agents are retiring early or jumping ship to other 1811 agencies- specifically Postal Inspectors and OIG outfits. Anybody know if this is just certain districts, or nationwide?


I guess that's not as exciting for those looking to work on big cases, but I see it as a positive turn. CI mostly takes extravagant cases, which means that high-income individuals and corporate officers who aren't spending millions on yachts and condos get away with serious crimes and an installment agreement.


Lol, sure. Those high income individuals and corporate officers also have high dollar attorneys and accountants. Good luck with a successful prosecution. Better to turn around a case or two on a small business owner.


The IRS has a high conviction rate going after those who can afford high-dollar attorneys and accountants; they have a high conviction rate because they carefully select cases that jurors will feel no sympathy for. Entities that are classified as small businesses aren't always mom and pop shops; they can have hundreds of employees and millions in annual revenue. The cap to be classified as a small business is pretty high. There are corporations classified as small businesses. Sometimes, these small businesses and self-employed individuals owe hundreds of thousands to millions in taxes, but if they do not meet the subjective standards of being extravagant or overly egregious, their cases are rarely picked up by CI and have to be dealt with on the civil side.


You couldn’t be more wrong. Where’d you get those talking points?


Personally dealing with fraud advisors saying that CI won't take the case and talking to special agents who confirmed that they're limited in the number of cases they can take, so they take the ones with jury appeal. Maybe your territory is different, but this is how my territory operates.


Oh so you’re civil IRS. Don’t talk for what happens in CI because you don’t know.


Clearly, you don't know what happens on the civil side and how many "small businesses" get away with stealing millions because CI says they only have the manpower to take extravagant cases in which people are using the money to buy mansions and Ferraris. So, don't speak on what we see on the civil side. You don't know how many egregious cases don't make it to your desk.


Ah, a know it all civil IRS trying to get into CI. You'll fit in great, there's a lot of that that goes on when they first show up!


I no longer work in civil, and I'm not an applicant for CI. Naturally, I am going to give more credence to special agents in my area with whom I talked to personally over an unknown individual posting online.
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Not at all.
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As to taking only cases with jury appeal, I saw some real stinkers. A waitress in a Japanese restaurant who spoke no English and did not report her tips- her co-workers told her she did not have to. Manager insisted the agent work the case- he needed a 7203 that quarter. A real estate agent who rented- his wife was a volunteer church secretary and the intent item was he paid for piano lessons for his daughter. Fortunately counsel killed those two. Another was a business owner who was broke, so he paid employees with IOUs, and did not withhold. Quick referral, no counsel (7215 case). Judge threw it out and asked where is IRS on all these drug dealers coming in here? WWII vet, Silver Star, health problems, did not report his interest income- review killed that one. An instructor in basic told us, you will only work a small number of cases in your career- make yourself proud of your work, don't work a bunch of crap.
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Off topic, but recently a couple former CI agents told me HQ is taking agents out of OCDETF and grand jury cases and pushing them to work straight tax (mom and pop) cases. And, as a result, agents are retiring early or jumping ship to other 1811 agencies- specifically Postal Inspectors and OIG outfits. Anybody know if this is just certain districts, or nationwide?


I guess that's not as exciting for those looking to work on big cases, but I see it as a positive turn. CI mostly takes extravagant cases, which means that high-income individuals and corporate officers who aren't spending millions on yachts and condos get away with serious crimes and an installment agreement.


Lol, sure. Those high income individuals and corporate officers also have high dollar attorneys and accountants. Good luck with a successful prosecution. Better to turn around a case or two on a small business owner.


The IRS has a high conviction rate going after those who can afford high-dollar attorneys and accountants; they have a high conviction rate because they carefully select cases that jurors will feel no sympathy for. Entities that are classified as small businesses aren't always mom and pop shops; they can have hundreds of employees and millions in annual revenue. The cap to be classified as a small business is pretty high. There are corporations classified as small businesses. Sometimes, these small businesses and self-employed individuals owe hundreds of thousands to millions in taxes, but if they do not meet the subjective standards of being extravagant or overly egregious, their cases are rarely picked up by CI and have to be dealt with on the civil side.


You couldn’t be more wrong. Where’d you get those talking points?


Personally dealing with fraud advisors saying that CI won't take the case and talking to special agents who confirmed that they're limited in the number of cases they can take, so they take the ones with jury appeal. Maybe your territory is different, but this is how my territory operates.


Oh so you’re civil IRS. Don’t talk for what happens in CI because you don’t know.


Clearly, you don't know what happens on the civil side and how many "small businesses" get away with stealing millions because CI says they only have the manpower to take extravagant cases in which people are using the money to buy mansions and Ferraris. So, don't speak on what we see on the civil side. You don't know how many egregious cases don't make it to your desk.


Ah, a know it all civil IRS trying to get into CI. You'll fit in great, there's a lot of that that goes on when they first show up! FYI - they're reinstating fitness requirements so no more 24 minute 1.5 mile candidates make it through. Also, they like to kick the know it all's out pretty fast. Rumor has it they call their previous POD and inform them to make sure they have a job after they get booted.


Can anyone tell me what the new (old) fitness requirements are? Trying to train!

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Push-ups, sit ups, stretch & reach, 1.5 mile run. That’s the IRS test, but it’s not graded.

FLETC has some minor differences, I think the grading scale is out there for CITP somewhere.
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Push-ups, sit ups, stretch & reach, 1.5 mile run. That’s the IRS test, but it’s not graded.

FLETC has some minor differences, I think the grading scale is out there for CITP somewhere.


Is it tested at time of interview, or after firm offer or at FLETC?
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Mountain_AC,

Push-ups, sit ups, stretch & reach, 1.5 mile run. That’s the IRS test, but it’s not graded.

FLETC has some minor differences, I think the grading scale is out there for CITP somewhere.


Is it tested at time of interview, or after firm offer or at FLETC?


You will not do a fitness test before FLETC. You’ll do FLETC’s twice during CITP then IRS once during SAIT
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