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Postal Blue  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2021 3:11:08 AM(UTC)
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The Department of Veteran Affairs is now mandating its medical employees to be vaccinated. I'm unclear what the repercussions are for those that decide against being vaccinated. If mandated vaccinations come to the USPS are we going to see people quit rather than get the vaccine?
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2021 3:50:30 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Postal Blue Go to Quoted Post
The Department of Veteran Affairs is now mandating its medical employees to be vaccinated. I'm unclear what the repercussions are for those that decide against being vaccinated. If mandated vaccinations come to the USPS are we going to see people quit rather than get the vaccine?


This topic was discussed on a federal podcast (sorry, I can't remember which 1) and the speaker mentioned there could be the possibility of termination for failure to vaccinate in federal agencies. The speaker made no mention however of any union involvement. They did speak of the religious and medical exemptions, but those usually have to be in place/practiced prior to the situation.

If the VA is requiring this for its medical employees, I don't see (as of now) why USPS would require it of all employees.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2021 3:55:59 AM(UTC)
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It is very telling that the current administration does not want to follow the science.

Should we follow the lead of the current VP? She said she would not take the vaccine if DJT said to. He has said that you should.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKGikIR1a-U
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2021 4:07:09 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: roger.d Go to Quoted Post
It is very telling that the current administration does not want to follow the science.

Should we follow the lead of the current VP? She said she would not take the vaccine if DJT said to. He has said that you should.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKGikIR1a-U


What are you talking about? The current administration is advocating the vaccine, which has been proven safe and effective. Almost all of the people currently getting sick and spreading the virus are those who selfishly and foolishly refuse to get vaccinated.

That quote, first of all, is old and outdated. And second of all was just meant to communicate how much she distrusted Trump. She said if someone reliable told her it was safe she would get it.

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#5 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2021 4:07:34 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: roger.d Go to Quoted Post
It is very telling that the current administration does not want to follow the science.

Should we follow the lead of the current VP? She said she would not take the vaccine if DJT said to. He has said that you should.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKGikIR1a-U


People are taking that one quote and twisting it into multiple pretzels. Up to that point, the vast majority of the words coming out of DJT's mouth were outright lies at worst, half-truths spun to fit his narrative at best. I took her quote not to mean that she wouldn't take the vaccine, but that Trump could not be trusted to speak the truth, so listen to the science.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2021 5:05:37 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Seadogg Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: roger.d Go to Quoted Post
It is very telling that the current administration does not want to follow the science.

Should we follow the lead of the current VP? She said she would not take the vaccine if DJT said to. He has said that you should.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKGikIR1a-U


What are you talking about? The current administration is advocating the vaccine, which has been proven safe and effective. Almost all of the people currently getting sick and spreading the virus are those who selfishly and foolishly refuse to get vaccinated.

That quote, first of all, is old and outdated. And second of all was just meant to communicate how much she distrusted Trump. She said if someone reliable told her it was safe she would get it.


You’re completely missing the point….
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#7 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2021 10:10:01 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Navy Bubblehead Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: roger.d Go to Quoted Post
It is very telling that the current administration does not want to follow the science.

Should we follow the lead of the current VP? She said she would not take the vaccine if DJT said to. He has said that you should.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKGikIR1a-U


People are taking that one quote and twisting it into multiple pretzels. Up to that point, the vast majority of the words coming out of DJT's mouth were outright lies at worst, half-truths spun to fit his narrative at best. I took her quote not to mean that she wouldn't take the vaccine, but that Trump could not be trusted to speak the truth, so listen to the science.


From the person that called Biden a segregationists, then accepts the VP position from him.

She is as soulless and is not fit for the position she is in.
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#8 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2021 11:56:48 AM(UTC)
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“She is as soulless and is not fit for the position she is in.”
She may be promoted this year 🤮
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#9 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2021 12:24:53 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: roger.d Go to Quoted Post
It is very telling that the current administration does not want to follow the science.

Should we follow the lead of the current VP? She said she would not take the vaccine if DJT said to. He has said that you should.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKGikIR1a-U


Seriously Roger, you're too intelligent be craiging around on this forum with stupid nonsense like this. Leave the stupidity to the truly stupid.

Originally Posted by: Postal Blue Go to Quoted Post
The Department of Veteran Affairs is now mandating its medical employees to be vaccinated. I'm unclear what the repercussions are for those that decide against being vaccinated. If mandated vaccinations come to the USPS are we going to see people quit rather than get the vaccine?


What repercussions are you imagining? Companies and federal agencies set their conditions of employment, that's a legal right which they enjoy. Obviously the law does place certain boundaries and not being a legal expert in labor law, except on facebook, I don't know exactly what those boundaries are. However if we were to accept that the VA has the legal right to set Covid-19 vaccination as a condition of employment, there is unlikely to be a reason that the USPS cannot set the same requirement. The consequence of refusal could potentially lead to a notice of removal. The more important question is the likelihood of the USPS introducing mandatory vaccination as a condition of employment. Personally I don't find it very likely. I also don't care, because while I also doubt any statements that came out of DJT's mouth, I find Pfizer and Moderna have a higher level of integrity. I mean you're talking about $billions in liability if they were lying and we started dying as if we were sampling flavor-aid offered to us by an evangelical religious cult. So I am vaccinated and would recommend that everybody who does not have a legitimate medical condition precluding vaccination be vaccinated. So if they decide to make it a condition of employment and they win in court and the arbitration process, you'd face removal. But again, what's the likelihood?
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#10 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2021 12:38:54 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: MPE2009 Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: roger.d Go to Quoted Post
It is very telling that the current administration does not want to follow the science.

Should we follow the lead of the current VP? She said she would not take the vaccine if DJT said to. He has said that you should.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKGikIR1a-U


Seriously Roger, you're too intelligent be craiging around on this forum with stupid nonsense like this. Leave the stupidity to the truly stupid.

Originally Posted by: Postal Blue Go to Quoted Post
The Department of Veteran Affairs is now mandating its medical employees to be vaccinated. I'm unclear what the repercussions are for those that decide against being vaccinated. If mandated vaccinations come to the USPS are we going to see people quit rather than get the vaccine?


What repercussions are you imagining? Companies and federal agencies set their conditions of employment, that's a legal right which they enjoy. Obviously the law does place certain boundaries and not being a legal expert in labor law, except on facebook, I don't know exactly what those boundaries are. However if we were to accept that the VA has the legal right to set Covid-19 vaccination as a condition of employment, there is unlikely to be a reason that the USPS cannot set the same requirement. The consequence of refusal could potentially lead to a notice of removal. The more important question is the likelihood of the USPS introducing mandatory vaccination as a condition of employment. Personally I don't find it very likely. I also don't care, because while I also doubt any statements that came out of DJT's mouth, I find Pfizer and Moderna have a higher level of integrity. I mean you're talking about $billions in liability if they were lying and we started dying as if we were sampling flavor-aid offered to us by an evangelical religious cult. So I am vaccinated and would recommend that everybody who does not have a legitimate medical condition precluding vaccination be vaccinated. So if they decide to make it a condition of employment and they win in court and the arbitration process, you'd face removal. But again, what's the likelihood?


with the potential to overturn Roe v Wade, what would happen if say this were mandated (violation of Privacy Act of 1974 to ask), you get terminated, then 45 years down the road the SC overturns the decision? now you were terminated without cause, are they liable to offer you reinstatement, backpay, and retirement?
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2021 1:20:02 PM(UTC)
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Certainly a possibility now..

President Biden on Tuesday said his administration is considering making it mandatory for federal workers to get the coronavirus vaccine.


https://thehill.com/home...requirements-for-federal
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#12 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2021 3:24:36 PM(UTC)
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Certainly a possibility now..

President Biden on Tuesday said his administration is considering making it mandatory for federal workers to get the coronavirus vaccine.


https://thehill.com/home...requirements-for-federal


Bad move. Those unvaccinated undoubtedly overlap with the flat-earther followers, Trump voters and probably the Jan. 6th insurrectionists. Are we surprised that Fox News is now touting vaccines since the majority of new infections are among their viewers??

Ooops!!

We could actually MAGA if the delta variant was allowed to Darwin itself through the doubters...

Trump lost, by millions, both times.

Trump lied and 600,000 died.

Trump for Prison 2024

Lock him up.
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#13 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2021 3:51:29 PM(UTC)
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Certainly a possibility now..

President Biden on Tuesday said his administration is considering making it mandatory for federal workers to get the coronavirus vaccine.


https://thehill.com/home...requirements-for-federal


Bad move. Those unvaccinated undoubtedly overlap with the flat-earther followers, Trump voters and probably the Jan. 6th insurrectionists. Are we surprised that Fox News is now touting vaccines since the majority of new infections are among their viewers??

Ooops!!

We could actually MAGA if the delta variant was allowed to Darwin itself through the doubters...




Overall, the death rate for COVID-19 is less than .01%.

"They" have said from the beginning that the Delta variety is less deadly than the original strain.


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#14 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2021 4:03:34 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: CityCarrier2020 Go to Quoted Post
Certainly a possibility now..

President Biden on Tuesday said his administration is considering making it mandatory for federal workers to get the coronavirus vaccine.


https://thehill.com/home...requirements-for-federal


Bad move. Those unvaccinated undoubtedly overlap with the flat-earther followers, Trump voters and probably the Jan. 6th insurrectionists. Are we surprised that Fox News is now touting vaccines since the majority of new infections are among their viewers??

Ooops!!

We could actually MAGA if the delta variant was allowed to Darwin itself through the doubters...



Aren’t you just a peach. The fatality rate is around .01% or less. You go right ahead and run around scared over something like that.

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#15 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2021 4:44:35 PM(UTC)
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Stop. That doesn’t support the crazy liberal agenda that this is all white republicans fault.
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#16 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2021 6:13:50 PM(UTC)
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About that "completely safe" vaccine. BTW, they are not vaccines in the classics sense. They create modifications to the receiver's DNA.
Thereby making the receiver a GMO.

https://www.precisionvac...lated-fatalities-updated
We decide which is right; and which is an illusion. I've got blisters on me fingers!
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#17 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2021 7:39:19 PM(UTC)
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This is crazy! We've gone from over 3,000 deaths per day to under 300 and still going lower. There is no need to force this emergency vaccine on everyone.
And no discussion on those who had the virus and have antibodies better that what the vaccine offers.
No discussion on the open borders letting in a million unvaccinated, a high % covid positive and spreading them throughout the country.























































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#18 Posted : Tuesday, July 27, 2021 9:06:26 PM(UTC)
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for those who don't want to get vaccinated don't. you get the virus and infect your family and your child dies I hope you can live with that
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2021 12:28:00 AM(UTC)
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In my opinion if you don’t want to get vaccinated, they should NOT be awarded the 600 hours of EFEL when anything happens to them or an immediate family member due to Covid.
So now we have people in the office running around with no mask on that are not vaccinated and just waiting for it to break lose. I have lost a family member to covid it was terrible to see. Went from flu like symptoms to fully vented in 4 days. Death on day 5.

If you can’t wear a mask and get fully vaccinated cool, just use your earned sick leave and LWOP when something happens. Just my two cents.
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#20 Posted : Wednesday, July 28, 2021 2:33:08 AM(UTC)
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for those who don't want to get vaccinated don't. you get the virus and infect your family and your child dies I hope you can live with that


And yet now they are saying the vaccine isn’t working nearly as well as they thought. Vaccinated people are spreading it as well. Science?
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