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49erguy  
#1 Posted : Wednesday, October 13, 2021 3:29:57 PM(UTC)
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Hypothetical question:
Say my office has 6 city routes. All routes are held by regular full time carriers. 3 are on the work assignment (w.a.) list and 3 are on the odl. Now let's say 2 of the w.a. carriers call in sick for the day leaving 3 odl's and 1 w.a. Being short handed, the supervisor forces the w.a. carrier to work o.t. off of their route. At the end of the day the 3 odl's end up working 11 hours each and the w.a. works 10 hours. Here's the question. Can the w.a. carrier file a grievance for having worked o.t. off their route when none of the odl's worked 12 hours?
So in other words, when determining if there is a grievance here, is it ACTUAL time worked by the odl's or do they merely need to be SCHEDULED 12 hours for it to be o.k. for the supervisor to force o.t. on a w.a.?
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, October 13, 2021 3:56:30 PM(UTC)
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The CBA says regulars on the list HAVE to be maxed if they decide to mandate the non-list. I’m not sure what’s the remedy here( ODL workers get a free hour of penalty or non ODL person gets a get out of jail free card for a future mandate, etc) but a grievance needs to be filed to keep this from happening again.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, October 13, 2021 4:53:44 PM(UTC)
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The only remedy listed is for the OTDL to be paid for the missed hours.

But, in the grievance, the steward can ask for anything they want. To include payment to the non OTDL for working when they did not need to be working. If management won't sign off on that, then put in the grievance that future unnecessary mandating will cause the no OTDL to be compensated.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, October 13, 2021 6:49:10 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 49erguy Go to Quoted Post
Hypothetical question:
Say my office has 6 city routes. All routes are held by regular full time carriers. 3 are on the work assignment (w.a.) list and 3 are on the odl. Now let's say 2 of the w.a. carriers call in sick for the day leaving 3 odl's and 1 w.a. Being short handed, the supervisor forces the w.a. carrier to work o.t. off of their route. At the end of the day the 3 odl's end up working 11 hours each and the w.a. works 10 hours. Here's the question. Can the w.a. carrier file a grievance for having worked o.t. off their route when none of the odl's worked 12 hours?
So in other words, when determining if there is a grievance here, is it ACTUAL time worked by the odl's or do they merely need to be SCHEDULED 12 hours for it to be o.k. for the supervisor to force o.t. on a w.a.?


Yes, that is a grievance. Clock hours are what is used, "SCHEDULED" means nothing.

If an ODL has something going on and asks to leave early, that's different. But it shouldn't be every time, and it shouldn't be all 3 ODL's.

As a side note, in my office ODL carriers will often only actually work for 9-ish hours, and then sit around in the office until they hit 12. That is stupid, but there's no grievance, since they are still on the clock.
Yukoncarrier24  
#5 Posted : Thursday, October 14, 2021 8:52:03 AM(UTC)
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As an ODL carrier we would sit in break room if there was no casing to do until we hit 12 hours
roger.d  
#6 Posted : Thursday, October 14, 2021 10:11:05 AM(UTC)
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And people wonder why the PO has money on problems.

No accountability for mismanagement.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, October 14, 2021 2:32:33 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 49erguy Go to Quoted Post
Hypothetical question:
Say my office has 6 city routes. All routes are held by regular full time carriers. 3 are on the work assignment (w.a.) list and 3 are on the odl. Now let's say 2 of the w.a. carriers call in sick for the day leaving 3 odl's and 1 w.a. Being short handed, the supervisor forces the w.a. carrier to work o.t. off of their route. At the end of the day the 3 odl's end up working 11 hours each and the w.a. works 10 hours. Here's the question. Can the w.a. carrier file a grievance for having worked o.t. off their route when none of the odl's worked 12 hours?
So in other words, when determining if there is a grievance here, is it ACTUAL time worked by the odl's or do they merely need to be SCHEDULED 12 hours for it to be o.k. for the supervisor to force o.t. on a w.a.?


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