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FlatAffect  
#1 Posted : Friday, December 24, 2021 9:24:19 PM(UTC)
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I spoke with my supervisor about the buyback process. I have already submitted my estimation request from DFAS with my DD-214.

So, if I have 10 years AD, how will paying back my years increase my pay?

Anyone who has done this, please give me your input.
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#2 Posted : Saturday, December 25, 2021 5:15:27 AM(UTC)
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I have not done this.


but buying X amount of time just adds X to your years of service. that improves your retirement, but not your current pay.
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#3 Posted : Thursday, December 30, 2021 6:44:54 PM(UTC)
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I have not done this.


but buying X amount of time just adds X to your years of service. that improves your retirement, but not your current pay.


That's strange because my supervisor told me that my pay will increase due to the added years in service and that my increases in pay with every step will be more than someone without the AD time.

He explained that basically I would make about as much money as someone who is a pay grade or two above me.

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#4 Posted : Thursday, December 30, 2021 7:28:54 PM(UTC)
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In the USPS it does not change your pay. Only your years of service for retirement calculations.
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Buying back your military time improves your time in service and retirement. It does not give you more time in grade.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2022 8:25:42 AM(UTC)
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I work for the VA and have bought 6 years of my military time back. It only increases your retirement pay. You will retire with 10 additional years of federal service to compute your retirement benefit. It has no effect on you pay while employed.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, January 12, 2022 11:20:24 AM(UTC)
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Also, you should be bumped to that level of Annual Leave accumulation.

Although I received the bump before making the deposit.
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, February 16, 2022 4:25:11 PM(UTC)
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Also, you should be bumped to that level of Annual Leave accumulation.

Although I received the bump before making the deposit.


Thanks. Yes, this is what I was referring to, but didn't word it right.

My leave accumulation would go up.
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#9 Posted : Monday, February 21, 2022 3:26:37 AM(UTC)
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you don't have to buy the time to get the leave accrual rate.
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, March 9, 2022 10:32:26 AM(UTC)
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Buy the time, it is worth it. Payments are spread out over a year and were not that much for my 14yrs.
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#11 Posted : Sunday, May 22, 2022 10:50:26 AM(UTC)
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Buy the time, it is worth it. Payments are spread out over a year and were not that much for my 14yrs.


Just got back my DFAS buyback payment amount, $5K for just over 9 years AD time.

That's not much for me as I can pay it off in one lump sum.

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#12 Posted : Sunday, May 22, 2022 11:22:07 AM(UTC)
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Buy the time, it is worth it. Payments are spread out over a year and were not that much for my 14yrs.


Just got back my DFAS buyback payment amount, $5K for just over 9 years AD time.

That's not much for me as I can pay it off in one lump sum.



To be helpful to others, what was your total wages?

I earned $57,057 for 5 years of service. 1987-1992. My deposit was $1711
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#13 Posted : Sunday, May 22, 2022 11:53:43 AM(UTC)
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Buy the time, it is worth it. Payments are spread out over a year and were not that much for my 14yrs.


Just got back my DFAS buyback payment amount, $5K for just over 9 years AD time.

That's not much for me as I can pay it off in one lump sum.



To be helpful to others, what was your total wages?

I earned $57,057 for 5 years of service. 1987-1992. My deposit was $1711



$166,470 for 9 years, 4 months AD service.

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#14 Posted : Sunday, May 29, 2022 7:45:19 PM(UTC)
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Agree buy the time.

Unless you are military retiree on military retirement pay. Then no don't buy time, not worth it because when you retire from federal service you must waive your military retirement pay.

It is all about the math. The vast majority of military retirees would lose money doing a buy back.
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#15 Posted : Monday, June 6, 2022 5:07:55 PM(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: Citrine Go to Quoted Post
I have not done this.


but buying X amount of time just adds X to your years of service. that improves your retirement, but not your current pay.


That's strange because my supervisor told me that my pay will increase due to the added years in service and that my increases in pay with every step will be more than someone without the AD time.

He explained that basically I would make about as much money as someone who is a pay grade or two above me.



Years of service has no factor in pay you earn. It’s only based on GS level and step. So someone coukd beat the same level and step after %3 yrs of service or 30 yrs of service.

Also as someone said above….


It will help your retirement adding the 10 years of service..and as a result you get bumped up in leave when it puts you above 3 or 15 years of service. You start at 4 hr per pay period of annual leave. After 3 yrs it’s 6, after 15 years it’s 8 per pay period.



Also to what someone said above……

Say you are a military retiree who had 20 yrsof service. A few years later you get a civilian job. DOD and some other agencies will allow you to start at 15 yr+ leave of 8 AL/4SL.

Veteran Affairs WILL NOT honor this. My boss followed the scenario above and needed to start at 4/4.

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#16 Posted : Monday, June 6, 2022 6:39:49 PM(UTC)

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Originally Posted by: djp Go to Quoted Post
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Originally Posted by: Citrine Go to Quoted Post
I have not done this.


but buying X amount of time just adds X to your years of service. that improves your retirement, but not your current pay.


That's strange because my supervisor told me that my pay will increase due to the added years in service and that my increases in pay with every step will be more than someone without the AD time.

He explained that basically I would make about as much money as someone who is a pay grade or two above me.



Years of service has no factor in pay you earn. It’s only based on GS level and step. So someone coukd beat the same level and step after %3 yrs of service or 30 yrs of service.

Also as someone said above….


It will help your retirement adding the 10 years of service..and as a result you get bumped up in leave when it puts you above 3 or 15 years of service. You start at 4 hr per pay period of annual leave. After 3 yrs it’s 6, after 15 years it’s 8 per pay period.



Also to what someone said above……

Say you are a military retiree who had 20 yrsof service. A few years later you get a civilian job. DOD and some other agencies will allow you to start at 15 yr+ leave of 8 AL/4SL.

Veteran Affairs WILL NOT honor this. My boss followed the scenario above and needed to start at 4/4.


In my experience with DOJ and DHS military time counts toward leave whether you purchase it or not but as said above it would be almost criminal not to purchase it unless you are already receiving a military pension.

Per OPM
Uniformed Service
For non-retired members of a uniformed service*, full credit for active military service** performed under honorable conditions is given for annual leave accrual purposes.
For retired members of a uniformed servivce***, annual leave accrual credit is given only for:
Actual service during a war declared by Congress (includes World War II covering the period December 7, 1941, to April 28, 1952) or while participating in a campaign or expedition for which a campaign badge is authorized. (See Vets Guide -- War Service Creditable for Veterans Preference (external link).)
or
All active duty when retirement was based on a disability received as a direct result of armed conflict or caused by an instrumentality of war and incurred in the line of duty during a period of war as defined in 38 U.S.C. 101 and 1101. "Period of war" includes World War II, the Korean conflict, Vietnam era, the Persian Gulf War, or the period beginning on the date of any future declaration of war by the Congress and ending on the date prescribed by Presidential proclamation or concurrent resolution of the Congress.

https://www.opm.gov/poli...act-sheets/annual-leave/

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#17 Posted : Tuesday, June 7, 2022 8:33:11 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Citrine Go to Quoted Post
I have not done this.


but buying X amount of time just adds X to your years of service. that improves your retirement, but not your current pay.


That's strange because my supervisor told me that my pay will increase due to the added years in service and that my increases in pay with every step will be more than someone without the AD time.

He explained that basically I would make about as much money as someone who is a pay grade or two above me.



Years of service has no factor in pay you earn. It’s only based on GS level and step. So someone coukd beat the same level and step after %3 yrs of service or 30 yrs of service.

Also as someone said above….


It will help your retirement adding the 10 years of service..and as a result you get bumped up in leave when it puts you above 3 or 15 years of service. You start at 4 hr per pay period of annual leave. After 3 yrs it’s 6, after 15 years it’s 8 per pay period.



Also to what someone said above……

Say you are a military retiree who had 20 yrsof service. A few years later you get a civilian job. DOD and some other agencies will allow you to start at 15 yr+ leave of 8 AL/4SL.

Veteran Affairs WILL NOT honor this. My boss followed the scenario above and needed to start at 4/4.
Based on the part in bold...Not my experience as a military retiree with 22 years of service prior to retiring from Active Duty. When I started my civil service career, it was with DoD and at 4 hours a PP, with only my deployed time counting towards leave accrual. Retirees are not the same as other veterans. If you are a retiree from AD (as in immediate annuity/retired pay), then you don't get the time credited for leave accrual purposes, only deployed time. Buying back military time can make that switch over but you will give up your military retired pay upon retirement from civil service (and so, for most retired military, the buy back isn't worth it as the gain in retired CS annuity takes too long to balance out the cost of the buy-back).

You should have voted Cthulu...the greatest of all Evils
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#18 Posted : Tuesday, June 7, 2022 11:36:12 AM(UTC)
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Note that if you are currently collecting (or expect to collect) a reserve component retirement, then you do not have to waive retired pay. And you still get to collect that retirement check until you start collecting federal civil service retirement.

Somebody said most active duty retirees would be better off not buying back their time. This depends on a number of factors, not the least of which is what grade you expect to be when you retire from federal civil service. But if you retired above the grade of E-6 then it probably worth taking a close look at the numbers.
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, June 7, 2022 1:01:51 PM(UTC)
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Note that if you are currently collecting (or expect to collect) a reserve component retirement, then you do not have to waive retired pay. And you still get to collect that retirement check until you start collecting federal civil service retirement.

Somebody said most active duty retirees would be better off not buying back their time. This depends on a number of factors, not the least of which is what grade you expect to be when you retire from federal civil service. But if you retired above the grade of E-6 then it probably worth taking a close look at the numbers.
Did you mean below E-6? I mean an O-6 would probably lose out buying back their time even if they retire as an SES (if they made use of the "No O-6 left behind" hiring process!)

And you are right...you need to run the numbers based on your retired mil pay and expected retired civ service pay. E-5 retired and currently a SES...probably well worth buying the time. As the mil grade goes higher and the civ service grade gets lower, then less likely to be worth it.

You should have voted Cthulu...the greatest of all Evils
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#20 Posted : Tuesday, June 7, 2022 2:26:05 PM(UTC)
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If a person retired as an E-6 (and there's more than a few who do) then it is almost certainly worth it to do the buyback. E-7 I think it is a tossup, but I know a couple guys who did it. Above E-7 probably not worth it from what I've heard from folks who ran their own numbers.

And where I am you might see more of a no-retired-chief left behind club... seems like these days the O-6's go the contractor route.
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