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0018 Hopeful  
#1 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2022 3:34:27 PM(UTC)
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I on boarded after the official offer but haven't signed the transportation agreement (because they have not sent it).

I ended up getting an interview with another agency that is in a dreamier location and a promotion.

Can I decline?

My local HR dude/dudette is telling me I am obligated to take the official offer.

The senior HR dude/dudette is on leave.

The onboard date is a week after the interview.

What say you sages of HR knowledge?
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#2 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2022 3:56:44 PM(UTC)
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The days of indentured servitude are over. It doesn't matter what you signed, what you promised verbally or in writing, you are never obliged to work when you don't want to. There may be consequences such as getting blacklisted or having to pay back any financial dealings, but that's about it. Don't expect a future offer or good will from the agency down the road...
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#3 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2022 4:31:19 PM(UTC)
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Thank you, I had not heard of being "obligated" if I didn't sign the transportation agreement.

Our HR specialist has been here forever, but I think she probably just doesn't want to deal with the paperwork on her end.
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#4 Posted : Saturday, April 16, 2022 5:51:43 AM(UTC)
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No such thing as 'obligated' - other than possibly some financial consequences. Even those are more possible than likely. Take the dreamy job! Quick!
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#5 Posted : Saturday, April 16, 2022 7:17:34 PM(UTC)
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They offered a hiring bonus, but since I am not there yet they have not sent it.

I have a clearance, and they redid the clearance even though my own agency did it in 2020. With no increase in clearance.

Supposed to be a promotion, but they are talking about it taking several years. Even though I am currently eligible.

Then the 10 pound hammer, they want to put me back on probation for a year.

I was kind of on board, but the clearance BS was brutal.

The probation is really scary.

My own HR is telling me there are too many red flags. I was enchanted by the location, but the cost of living there is going to be a stretch and I don't think we are going to get anything out of it.
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#6 Posted : Sunday, April 17, 2022 4:36:32 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: 0018 Hopeful Go to Quoted Post
They offered a hiring bonus, but since I am not there yet they have not sent it.

I have a clearance, and they redid the clearance even though my own agency did it in 2020. With no increase in clearance.

Supposed to be a promotion, but they are talking about it taking several years. Even though I am currently eligible.

Then the 10 pound hammer, they want to put me back on probation for a year.

I was kind of on board, but the clearance BS was brutal.

The probation is really scary.

My own HR is telling me there are too many red flags. I was enchanted by the location, but the cost of living there is going to be a stretch and I don't think we are going to get anything out of it.


To clarify, you have not had your EOD for the new position, right? I am confused because you note that you have on onboarded.

I wouldn’t worry about the probation unless you are going to an excepted service agency. Generally, you meet the current continuous service requirement, so probation would just be on paper.
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0018 Hopeful  
#7 Posted : Monday, April 18, 2022 4:53:19 AM(UTC)
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I have not reported yet.

"onboarded" to me means I accepted the official offer.


Here is what I have seen for typical hiring chronology:

1. Apply for job
2. get referred
3. get interview email
4. interview
5. get initial offer
6. onboard yourself for initial offer and complete paperwork
7. Work release dates with both HRs
8. get official offer
9. onboard yourself for official offer and complete paperwork (this is where I am)
10. report for duty
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#8 Posted : Monday, April 18, 2022 5:45:50 AM(UTC)
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Instead of:
"9. onboard yourself for official offer and complete paperwork (this is where I am)
10. report for duty"

Refuse the offer.
Don't complete the the paperwork and don't return the paperwork.
Don't report for duty.

You can refuse the offer at any point if you haven't transferred your employment to the new organisation. If you have done, you're going to have do something a little more formal - like quitting or getting yourself hired somewhere else. It's a lot easier to refuse beforehand.
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#9 Posted : Monday, April 18, 2022 6:17:23 AM(UTC)
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I have not reported yet.

"onboarded" to me means I accepted the official offer.

I think that's where some of us were confused. Typically HR specialists and others involved in the hiring process consider onboarding to be the process that takes place after you have hit your EOD and are actually on the job. That is, it is when you, as a new employee, are completing necessary paperwork, going to orientation(s), learning the ropes at the agency, getting settled in, etc. As already indicated, if you have not reported to the new job, you should be able to decline the formal/final offer. Best of luck to you.

Edited by user Tuesday, April 19, 2022 9:11:18 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Typo

0018 Hopeful  
#10 Posted : Tuesday, April 19, 2022 7:04:33 AM(UTC)
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Ok, so I sent the denial letter and contacted my HR to let them know.

Big Agency HR told me they don't know what to do because they had made a PPP selection.
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#11 Posted : Tuesday, April 19, 2022 1:59:09 PM(UTC)
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Ok, so I sent the denial letter and contacted my HR to let them know.

Big Agency HR told me they don't know what to do because they had made a PPP selection.


Do you work for Big Agency?
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#12 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2022 5:35:31 AM(UTC)
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Just to close the circle with everyone.

We had some communication errors that after onboarding would have caused a lot of problems. HR and the hiring manager were feeding me different lines of information (some would call it BS).

It was a ladder, but the HR manager told me promote in 90 days. Where the hiring manager told me 36 months minimum after I am trained up.

Clearance was a train wreck. I already have a clearance from DOD, but they made me redo it. Mine was done in October of 2020. This should have been a high five and roll.

Then the housing market, rental property issues and we are out $1000 in home inspection fees, because as soon as I would get a home inspection paid for some other realtor would lock the house out. Multiple offers really suck!
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#13 Posted : Wednesday, May 18, 2022 9:10:31 PM(UTC)
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My spouse:

Applied
Interviewed
Received email tentative offer and instructions to follow link to "Onboarding" to accept.

They did accept through onboarding link.

Next day received congratulations for selection and accepting. It came with about 12 forms to fill out and email back to HR. It also came with "Tentative EOD"...but nothing said this is Final/Firm offer. Maybe because they offered and they accepted highest rate of pay allowed?
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