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#1 Posted : Wednesday, May 11, 2022 1:28:20 AM(UTC)
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#2 Posted : Wednesday, May 11, 2022 4:18:05 PM(UTC)
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With the implementation of the new RRECS program on the rural side of the house it was only a matter of time until the city side would start using technology to evaluate and adjust routes. No system will be perfect though, so like other systems it will only work as well if it is used correctly.
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, May 11, 2022 4:44:23 PM(UTC)
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With the implementation of the new RRECS program on the rural side of the house it was only a matter of time until the city side would start using technology to evaluate and adjust routes. No system will be perfect though, so like other systems it will only work as well if it is used correctly.


And "used correctly" is often defined by who benefits or loses the most.
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, May 11, 2022 5:41:09 PM(UTC)
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From what I can tell this seems like a good idea, and should result in better adjusted routes.

However Carriers who are doing things the wrong way are in for a world of hurt...
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, May 11, 2022 7:02:55 PM(UTC)
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From what I can tell this seems like a good idea, and should result in better adjusted routes.

However Carriers who are doing things the wrong way are in for a world of hurt...


Wrong way? How are they hurt? Mail volume is continuously down. Last quarter package volume was down. A route can’t just simply be 8 hours forever if people are truly working honestly….especially when volume is on the decline.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, May 11, 2022 7:10:01 PM(UTC)
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Is this going to result in all routes getting an evaluation? Ours haven't been evaluated in about 20 years.

And maybe I'm not understanding the using scanner data for street evaluations thing, but wouldn't that make it even easier to abuse the system? Just pretend you have a piece of mail for all those time consuming houses, sit at the CBUs for a little longer, etc.
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#7 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2022 2:16:00 AM(UTC)

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It would be best to keep scanner “attached” to you at all times.

Do you guys scan all parcels when loading or skip the sprs?
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#8 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2022 4:05:31 AM(UTC)

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It would be best to keep scanner “attached” to you at all times.

Do you guys scan all parcels when loading or skip the sprs?

One thing about using geo location on the scanner is that you catch the runners who skip breaks whose routes need to be shorter for everybody eleses benefit. So that the station isn't under presuure when the runner is not there. Just as you catch those with stationary events, if you want to see the runner.

We have never seen a spr in the scanner era. They are scanned and thrown with the parcels and we are pulling down as clerks and CCAs continue to scan parcels into the office. And thus they get a load scan just like the stuff we count as "parcels"

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#9 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2022 4:12:50 AM(UTC)
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Is this going to result in all routes getting an evaluation? Ours haven't been evaluated in about 20 years.

And maybe I'm not understanding the using scanner data for street evaluations thing, but wouldn't that make it even easier to abuse the system? Just pretend you have a piece of mail for all those time consuming houses, sit at the CBUs for a little longer, etc.


If you read the article at www.Nalc.org , this technique was tested by carriers and had overwhelming favorable results.

It also eliminates the wasteful spending of a manager riding behind you doing a 99, 99’s will be digital now.

Are you really going to pretend you have a piece of paper for 7 random weeks during the year to extend your route?
I think not!
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#10 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2022 4:48:08 AM(UTC)
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Downside of this to me is the COR program for adjustments. That is the absolute worst program ever. If carrier input was actually used and not just ok we heard you but this is what we are doing no be quiet and go away.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2022 7:25:48 AM(UTC)
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Downside of this to me is the COR program for adjustments. That is the absolute worst program ever. If carrier input was actually used and not just ok we heard you but this is what we are doing no be quiet and go away.


Absolutely, but I doubt management doesn’t want an entire installation to have to rebid.
I agree though, COR sucks
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#12 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2022 1:44:20 PM(UTC)
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Is this going to result in all routes getting an evaluation? Ours haven't been evaluated in about 20 years.

And maybe I'm not understanding the using scanner data for street evaluations thing, but wouldn't that make it even easier to abuse the system? Just pretend you have a piece of mail for all those time consuming houses, sit at the CBUs for a little longer, etc.


If you read the article at www.Nalc.org , this technique was tested by carriers and had overwhelming favorable results.

It also eliminates the wasteful spending of a manager riding behind you doing a 99, 99’s will be digital now.

Are you really going to pretend you have a piece of paper for 7 random weeks during the year to extend your route?
I think not!


In my years as a CCA I have seen so many games played by carriers you wouldn't believe. I've legit walked with someone who knew where they should be at every minute of the day and ways to lengthen their time if they were ahead. But hey if this new system catches those types and the runners, I'm all for it.

But back to my original question, will every route get evaluated now? The article mentioned something about it being rolled out and each zone will get their routes evaluated by a specific time. Or is this just the new way evaluations are done and my office is just stuck with 20 year old evaluations still?
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#13 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2022 1:54:43 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: martin123 Go to Quoted Post


In my years as a CCA I have seen so many games played by carriers you wouldn't believe. I've legit walked with someone who knew where they should be at every minute of the day and ways to lengthen their time if they were ahead. But hey if this new system catches those types and the runners, I'm all for it.

But back to my original question, will every route get evaluated now? The article mentioned something about it being rolled out and each zone will get their routes evaluated by a specific time. Or is this just the new way evaluations are done and my office is just stuck with 20 year old evaluations still?



What is you opposition to the 20 year old evaluations?
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#14 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2022 2:21:39 PM(UTC)
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In my years as a CCA I have seen so many games played by carriers you wouldn't believe. I've legit walked with someone who knew where they should be at every minute of the day and ways to lengthen their time if they were ahead. But hey if this new system catches those types and the runners, I'm all for it.

But back to my original question, will every route get evaluated now? The article mentioned something about it being rolled out and each zone will get their routes evaluated by a specific time. Or is this just the new way evaluations are done and my office is just stuck with 20 year old evaluations still?



What is you opposition to the 20 year old evaluations?


There is no way 20 year old evaluations would be anywhere near accurate. The carriers are different, the territory is most likely different, and the mail volume is different.
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#15 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2022 3:00:08 PM(UTC)
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In my years as a CCA I have seen so many games played by carriers you wouldn't believe. I've legit walked with someone who knew where they should be at every minute of the day and ways to lengthen their time if they were ahead. But hey if this new system catches those types and the runners, I'm all for it.

But back to my original question, will every route get evaluated now? The article mentioned something about it being rolled out and each zone will get their routes evaluated by a specific time. Or is this just the new way evaluations are done and my office is just stuck with 20 year old evaluations still?



What is you opposition to the 20 year old evaluations?


There is no way 20 year old evaluations would be anywhere near accurate. The carriers are different, the territory is most likely different, and the mail volume is different.



What is their problem with their specific route?

If their route is over burdened, they can request
a 271g.


If they have downtime, they can request additional work.


If they feel other carriers are gaming the system, that is not their concern. That is management's concern.
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#16 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2022 3:08:01 PM(UTC)
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In my years as a CCA I have seen so many games played by carriers you wouldn't believe. I've legit walked with someone who knew where they should be at every minute of the day and ways to lengthen their time if they were ahead. But hey if this new system catches those types and the runners, I'm all for it.

But back to my original question, will every route get evaluated now? The article mentioned something about it being rolled out and each zone will get their routes evaluated by a specific time. Or is this just the new way evaluations are done and my office is just stuck with 20 year old evaluations still?



What is you opposition to the 20 year old evaluations?


It was always preached to me to work honest when I started. Ok, cool. Almost nobody does.

Why? We haven’t had evaluations on our routes since the peak of Amazon and mail was much higher back then. Then we lost Amazon. It was great. Yet….somehow people were still taking the same amount of time. Now mail volume is down even more. So who’s working honest? Nah. People are just trying to protect their route.
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#17 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2022 3:40:45 PM(UTC)
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In my years as a CCA I have seen so many games played by carriers you wouldn't believe. I've legit walked with someone who knew where they should be at every minute of the day and ways to lengthen their time if they were ahead. But hey if this new system catches those types and the runners, I'm all for it.

But back to my original question, will every route get evaluated now? The article mentioned something about it being rolled out and each zone will get their routes evaluated by a specific time. Or is this just the new way evaluations are done and my office is just stuck with 20 year old evaluations still?



What is you opposition to the 20 year old evaluations?


It was always preached to me to work honest when I started. Ok, cool. Almost nobody does.

Why? We haven’t had evaluations on our routes since the peak of Amazon and mail was much higher back then. Then we lost Amazon. It was great. Yet….somehow people were still taking the same amount of time. Now mail volume is down even more. So who’s working honest? Nah. People are just trying to protect their route.


We can only be responsible for our actions.
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#18 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2022 4:14:40 PM(UTC)
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In my years as a CCA I have seen so many games played by carriers you wouldn't believe. I've legit walked with someone who knew where they should be at every minute of the day and ways to lengthen their time if they were ahead. But hey if this new system catches those types and the runners, I'm all for it.

But back to my original question, will every route get evaluated now? The article mentioned something about it being rolled out and each zone will get their routes evaluated by a specific time. Or is this just the new way evaluations are done and my office is just stuck with 20 year old evaluations still?



What is you opposition to the 20 year old evaluations?


It was always preached to me to work honest when I started. Ok, cool. Almost nobody does.

Why? We haven’t had evaluations on our routes since the peak of Amazon and mail was much higher back then. Then we lost Amazon. It was great. Yet….somehow people were still taking the same amount of time. Now mail volume is down even more. So who’s working honest? Nah. People are just trying to protect their route.


We can only be responsible for our actions.


No doubt. However, here the actions of others impact us.
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#19 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2022 4:50:08 PM(UTC)
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In my years as a CCA I have seen so many games played by carriers you wouldn't believe. I've legit walked with someone who knew where they should be at every minute of the day and ways to lengthen their time if they were ahead. But hey if this new system catches those types and the runners, I'm all for it.

But back to my original question, will every route get evaluated now? The article mentioned something about it being rolled out and each zone will get their routes evaluated by a specific time. Or is this just the new way evaluations are done and my office is just stuck with 20 year old evaluations still?



What is you opposition to the 20 year old evaluations?


It was always preached to me to work honest when I started. Ok, cool. Almost nobody does.

Why? We haven’t had evaluations on our routes since the peak of Amazon and mail was much higher back then. Then we lost Amazon. It was great. Yet….somehow people were still taking the same amount of time. Now mail volume is down even more. So who’s working honest? Nah. People are just trying to protect their route.


We can only be responsible for our actions.


No doubt. However, here the actions of others impact us.


Rarely. Unless you are on the OTDL. Then, you want to work OT. So don't ***** is someone is a slacker. Get off the list.
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#20 Posted : Thursday, May 12, 2022 5:08:43 PM(UTC)
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Craigrh, when you feel your co-workers are not working hard enough, think about the post here:

https://www.bogleheads.o...c.php?p=6489859#p6489859

the post by Count of Notre Dame » Tue Feb 01, 2022 11:53 am

There have been numerous threads on that forum about how little some people work.

ETA: I believe this is the thread I was looking for. A 5 page discussion on how much "downtime" people have.

https://www.bogleheads.o...m/viewtopic.php?t=288693

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