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Mic  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2022 5:40:02 AM(UTC)
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'Applicant A' is a licensed engineer with 10 years of private sector experience currently working in private sector would qualify for a GS-12 public announcement.

'Applicant B' has 10 years of prior experience working as a professional engineer in the private sector. However, applicant B' is currently working as a GS-7 engineering tech.

Would Applicant B be held to the same to the same standard as Applicant A or would Applicant B's application be rejected because of not currently being a GS-11? Both applicants have identical experience/resumes as licensed professional engineers. The only difference is Applicant B has a little more experience than Applicant A because Applicant B has worked a little in engineering technician position for the federal government.

Assuming both applicants apply to an announcement which is open to the public, NOT a merit announcement. The public announcement reads "...you must have at least one year of experience, equal or equivalent to the GS-11 grade level".

Would Applicant B (currently working as a GS-7), who has worked 10 years in the private sector (at a level equivalent to GS-11 government work) be eligible for this GS-12 job? Will both applications be passed onto the hiring committee or only the application of Applicant A?
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2022 6:35:20 AM(UTC)
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"Would Applicant B be held to the same to the same standard as Applicant A or would Applicant B's application be rejected because of not currently being a GS-11? "

If there are two separate announcements, then two separate certificates will be produced. Appearance on either - or both - indicates the applicant has qualified under the terms of the separate announcements. Certificates are not combined. Certificates are passed to the hiring authority, which may choose to interview or select from any of the accepted certificates.
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#3 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2022 8:13:17 AM(UTC)
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Thanks for your response about the certificates if there are two separate announcements.

I am asking about the situation if there is only ONE announcement. In the example scenario there is only ONE announcement. It is to open to the public, everyone/public.

The question I have is.... In the example provided, Would Applicant B (currently working as a GS-7), who has worked 10 years in the private sector (at a level equivalent to GS-11 government work) be eligible for this GS-12 job?

That is to say can a GS-7 qualify and be hired for a GS-12 position if they meet the same experience requirements which are required for an applicant who has never worked for the government?
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#4 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2022 8:47:25 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mic Go to Quoted Post


'Applicant A' is a licensed engineer with 10 years of private sector experience currently working in private sector would qualify for a GS-12 public announcement.

'Applicant B' has 10 years of prior experience working as a professional engineer in the private sector. However, applicant B' is currently working as a GS-7 engineering tech.

Would Applicant B be held to the same to the same standard as Applicant A or would Applicant B's application be rejected because of not currently being a GS-11? Both applicants have identical experience/resumes as licensed professional engineers. The only difference is Applicant B has a little more experience than Applicant A because Applicant B has worked a little in engineering technician position for the federal government.

Assuming both applicants apply to an announcement which is open to the public, NOT a merit announcement. The public announcement reads "...you must have at least one year of experience, equal or equivalent to the GS-11 grade level".

Would Applicant B (currently working as a GS-7), who has worked 10 years in the private sector (at a level equivalent to GS-11 government work) be eligible for this GS-12 job? Will both applications be passed onto the hiring committee or only the application of Applicant A?
As long as both resumes are equal, yes...both would be referred.

You should have voted Cthulu...the greatest of all Evils
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, June 1, 2022 3:53:26 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: frankgonzalez Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: Mic Go to Quoted Post


'Applicant A' is a licensed engineer with 10 years of private sector experience currently working in private sector would qualify for a GS-12 public announcement.

'Applicant B' has 10 years of prior experience working as a professional engineer in the private sector. However, applicant B' is currently working as a GS-7 engineering tech.

Would Applicant B be held to the same to the same standard as Applicant A or would Applicant B's application be rejected because of not currently being a GS-11? Both applicants have identical experience/resumes as licensed professional engineers. The only difference is Applicant B has a little more experience than Applicant A because Applicant B has worked a little in engineering technician position for the federal government.

Assuming both applicants apply to an announcement which is open to the public, NOT a merit announcement. The public announcement reads "...you must have at least one year of experience, equal or equivalent to the GS-11 grade level".

Would Applicant B (currently working as a GS-7), who has worked 10 years in the private sector (at a level equivalent to GS-11 government work) be eligible for this GS-12 job? Will both applications be passed onto the hiring committee or only the application of Applicant A?
As long as both resumes are equal, yes...both would be referred.


In theory, this is correct. In practice, nine out of ten HR folks are going to see that current GS-7 position and circular file the resume.
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, June 1, 2022 3:56:05 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mic Go to Quoted Post


'Applicant A' is a licensed engineer with 10 years of private sector experience currently working in private sector would qualify for a GS-12 public announcement.

'Applicant B' has 10 years of prior experience working as a professional engineer in the private sector. However, applicant B' is currently working as a GS-7 engineering tech.

Would Applicant B be held to the same to the same standard as Applicant A or would Applicant B's application be rejected because of not currently being a GS-11? Both applicants have identical experience/resumes as licensed professional engineers. The only difference is Applicant B has a little more experience than Applicant A because Applicant B has worked a little in engineering technician position for the federal government.

Assuming both applicants apply to an announcement which is open to the public, NOT a merit announcement. The public announcement reads "...you must have at least one year of experience, equal or equivalent to the GS-11 grade level".

Would Applicant B (currently working as a GS-7), who has worked 10 years in the private sector (at a level equivalent to GS-11 government work) be eligible for this GS-12 job? Will both applications be passed onto the hiring committee or only the application of Applicant A?
As long as both resumes are equal, yes...both would be referred.


In theory, this is correct. In practice, nine out of ten HR folks are going to see that current GS-7 position and circular file the resume.
At which point you have a legal challenge that could result in the hiring action reversed (or more likely, a job offer as a settlement).

You should have voted Cthulu...the greatest of all Evils
Mic  
#7 Posted : Wednesday, June 1, 2022 7:16:03 AM(UTC)
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Navy Bubblehead, That was my experience. It is why I asked the question. Not sure it will do any good, but I am going to try to find a way to include a reminder to HR with my application the next time I apply to a demo position.
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#8 Posted : Monday, June 6, 2022 5:15:27 AM(UTC)
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Not HR, but I believe it has to be a "all us citizens" job for the GS-7 to get to use his/her experience.

I was an GS-7 doing safety, but prior while in the military I was the Embassy fleet manager and I applied for a GS-13 doing the same job for NSA Singapore. Didn't get referred. Fought it, filed an EEO complaint never went anywhere as I was a GS-7 and this was a regular government employees only job post.


Can always file an EEO complaint. But?

Edited by user Monday, June 6, 2022 5:23:29 AM(UTC)  | Reason: Not specified

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